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Opening

(9s) Tim Chaten:

> Welcome to iPad Pros, the show all about using your iPad to be productive and get work done.

(14s)

> I’m Tim Chaten, host of the show.

(18s) Matthew Daley:

> Well, exactly. I mean, I can’t tell you how many times photometer has saved us when we’ve had an old image. And it’s the only image we have of let’s say a product shot or something, but it’s like historic old and it’s pixelated and really bad. You just go into photometer, increase the image resolution and in like a couple seconds, it looks 50% better and you’re like, wow, okay, we can actually use this. Thanks very much, you know, just from that. So that’s a cool that’s a cool one to have. But pixel meta, pixel meta is still

(48s)

> it’s so user friendly, and they seem to be putting a bit more effort and time into it now. And that is still a great app to work with. It’s just so user friendly and easy.

(1m) Michael Daley:

> But also having I find like the the shared mailboxes are so very handy. I mean, for example,

(1m 5s)

> if a colleague is on leave or something, and now you need access to their mailbox,

(1m 9s)

> instead of them giving you all their login details, etc, you can then jump on to Spark,

(1m 13s)

> because they’re part of the team, you can then log on to their that mail and use it that way as well.

(1m 18s)

> And then it’s as if you are that person replying. So it’s fantastic.

(1m 25s) Tim Chaten:

> Welcome back to another episode of iPad Pros.

(1m 28s)

> We are now less than a month away from the release of iPadOS 17,

(1m 32s)

> and I’m sure lots of new announcements from Apple.

(1m 35s)

> So plenty coming up on the podcast,

(1m 37s)

> including the annual Shortcuts Deep Dive with Matthew Casanelli.

(1m 41s)

> In this episode, we are joined once again by Matthew Daley,

(1m 45s)

> who was on episode 36 of the podcast that aired in October of 2018.

(1m 52s)

> It’s almost five years ago now.

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> He is joined by his brother.

(1m 55s)

> Michael Daly.

(1m 56s)

> They both help run a small family business that you’ll hear more about in this episode.

(2m 1s)

> And we dive into a bunch of different wide ranging topics.

(2m 4s)

> And I even learned about some new apps from them in this discussion.

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> They also run the blog ipadproductivity.com.

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> They’ve been both iPad only since the third generation iPad released in 2012.

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> So they bring with them a wealth of knowledge and experience with iPad what makes this platform so special.

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> As a reminder, you can support this podcast over patreon.com/ipipros or by subscribing in Apple Podcasts. By supporting this show, you’ll also be supporting my new, currently monthly, Vision Pros podcast.

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(2m 41s) Tim Chaten:

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(3m 26s)

> With that, here’s my discussion with Matthew and Michael. Enjoy!

Matthew Daley

(3m 31s) Tim Chaten:

> Welcome back to the podcast, Matthew. It’s been a while. Episode 36, back in October 2018, so almost five years. So, lots probably happened here.

(3m 42s)

> For those that are newer to the show, can you share a bit on your background?

(3m 52s) Matthew Daley:

> Yeah. Thanks, Tim, for having me. Great to be back on the show. Yeah, just for the audience.

(4m 1s)

> Just quickly, I’m a father, husband, got three kids. I live in South Africa, just around the corner from Cape Town. So I’m sure a lot of people know Cape Town. In a little coastal town called Hermanus.

(4m 22s)

> I don’t know, have you ever been to a modeston?

(4m 24s)

> Oh wow, okay.

(4m 24s) Tim Chaten:

> Um, I have since we spoke last been to South Africa on a pretty awesome trip and I went to Botswana and Cape Town all that on that trip, and really special place.

(4m 36s)

> Yeah, yeah, so I’m not sure about that town in particular.

(4m 37s) Matthew Daley:

> Oh, nice. Nice. Yeah. Okay. So nice. Good, good place to start. Yeah, a lot, a lot of people know of Hermanus is, it’s known as the whale watching capital of the world. So a lot of people flock to Hermanus as tourists to come see the whales. It’s quite an idyllic little, little town.

(4m 40s) Tim Chaten:

> But yeah, I have taken the journey out there and it’s, I’ve not been to Europe, but I have been to Africa.

(5m 7s) Matthew Daley:

> And yeah, so I live here, moved on here during COVID. I think like a lot of people when COVID hit,

(5m 15s)

> sort of really look at life and decided to make the move. Just a better place to raise the kids and really just appreciate life. And you know, with everything moving towards remote work,

(5m 32s)

> and that it was just it just made a lot of sense to do that at the time.

(5m 37s)

> Yeah, so just a bit of background on work. Before I give Mike a chance here. We, yeah,

(5m 47s)

> we’ve, I’ve been in the business for 19 years now. So we, I work in a family business. We specialize in selling synthetic industrial oils. So that would be specialized oils that go into like aerospace, industrial applications.

(6m 7s)

> a lot of manufacturing. So, you know, if you think of any bottled beverage that you drink, for instance, or any baked goods or any product that sits on the store shelf that you consume,

(6m 22s)

> it’s produced using machinery that have to use specialized lubricants, food safe lubricants. So that’s where our business comes in and and that’s and and that’s what

(6m 37s)

> Yeah, that’s what we do. It takes you to a lot of interesting places. And I mean, whether it’s offshore and marine to mining to military, it’s, it’s quite a quite a cool business to be in, to be honest. And, and yeah, we, we’ve got our warehouses in in up in the north of the country. Well, north from here, that would be in Johannesburg. And our products come shipped in from the UK and the US. And they get shipped straight out to our distributors. And yeah, so that’s just a little bit of background on on, on our company and and me.

(7m 17s) Tim Chaten:

> – Excellent, yeah.

(7m 19s)

> And yeah, we’re also joined this time by your brother, Mike, welcome to podcast.

Michael Daley

(7m 25s) Michael Daley:

> Perfect. Thank you. Yeah, great to finally meet you and be part of the show.

(7m 29s)

> Yeah, just a little bit about my background. Basically, quite similar to Matthew in the sense that I’m also currently working for the family business now.

(7m 37s)

> Previously to that, I actually started out in Johannesburg. That’s where we all grew up and then subsequently moved down when I was about 16 years old to Hermanus, to the coastal town.

(7m 50s)

> So, that was a nice big change but really great small, small coastal town. So,

(7m 55s)

> fantastic. From there, after finishing scooting, etc., I then went into varsity where I actually studied nature conservation, which is quite different to the oil and industry that we’re in at the moment.

(8m 7s)

> But it was a great experience. I was in there for about four years and that’s actually when I first got introduced to the iPad, being the third generation. And yeah, I did my varsity and what have you,

(8m 19s)

> taking notes and all that from the iPad, of which I was actually the only one in the whole varsity to have

(8m 25s) Tim Chaten:

[chuckles]

(8m 25s) Michael Daley:

> an iPad then, which was interesting. It was quite something. Quite a lot of jealous people, but it’s,

(8m 31s)

> you know, obviously you get the guys that aren’t too interested in either thinking the technology is too new and difficult to adopt. But, you know, certainly in that era, it was difficult to, you know, not

(8m 46s)

> necessarily adapt and use iPad, but more so basically having it compatible, compatibility with

(8m 55s)

> due to us being in South Africa, we mainly used Windows-based systems. And now, moving on to Apple stuff,

(9m 2s)

> using keynotes and pages, etc., having that compatibility issue was a little bit of an interesting time,

(9m 11s)

> if I can say that. And so, but there were workarounds, many third-party apps that we could use to convert from pages to, you know, Word documents, etc., although they were very limited and didn’t do an excellent job.

(9m 23s)

> job they didn’t manage

(9m 25s)

> to get get the basics done so from that point of view it was great and now I’m currently in the the east of the country where I have been for the last five years and part of the family business as I mentioned previously now for about eight years so yeah I’m enjoying it thank you

(9m 38s) Tim Chaten:

> Excellent. Yeah. And nature conservation in that part of the world, that’s got to be an interesting thing to be working in. I mean, you get, where did you?

(9m 47s) Matthew Daley:

> Geez yeah, Michael’s got some stories. He’s got he can tell you some stories. Yeah some interesting ones

(9m 49s) Michael Daley:

> Yes, indeed. Yeah, so I mean, I was very fortunate in the sense that I managed to get a position at a private game reserve, it’s in the northern part of the country now, near the Kalahari,

(10m 3s)

> at a place called Swaru, which is actually owned by the Oppenheimer family. And that was a fantastic experience. I mean, I did anything from game capture through to, you you know, looking after animals and boomers as we reintroduce them into the game form

(10m 19s)

> and I got to work with a host of animals from your desert black rhinos which are very rare animals and endangered Right through to wild dogs, you know lion, leopard even so yeah, I just I had a Fantastic time and quite frankly, I don’t think I will ever experience a year like that, you know in the future That’s for sure in terms of the different experiences and just yeah, I just took a great time

(10m 44s) Tim Chaten:

> That’s really cool. Yeah. A quick tangent from tech. When we were on Safari in Botswana,

(10m 49s)

> there was this little leopard, or big leopard, I should say. And it was just hilarious to us,

(10m 54s)

> as it reminded us of a little house cat that was chasing a squirrel up into a tree.

(10m 58s)

> And we were kind of afraid the squirrel was going to go in our jeep and the cat would be chasing the squirrel throughout. It was, yeah, it’s fun to see the animals in there.

(11m 3s) Matthew Daley:

> Yeah, those leopards are amazing creatures.

(11m 14s) Tim Chaten:

> But back to iPad, because I could go on that tangent for hours, because it’s an amazing part of the world and amazing thing for sure. Do you guys have the same setup at this point,

Current iPad Setup

(11m 20s) Matthew Daley:

> Oh yeah, so could we…

(11m 28s) Tim Chaten:

> as far as which iPad models you guys are using?

(11m 31s)

> are using and…

(11m 34s) Matthew Daley:

> Yeah, actually, yeah, we’re very fortunate that we work in a family business. And so we, you know, we get to choose the hardware that we want to upgrade to. And so yeah, so our current setup for Mike, my current setup sets, same as my different slide, slightly, and you’ll, he’ll reiterate on that now. I’ve got the M1 iPad Pro.

(12m 3s)

> So, um…

(12m 4s)

> The 12.9 inch cellular with the one terabyte of RAM.

(12m 10s)

> That was really important to us because we knew that…

(12m 14s)

> We knew where the software was going.

(12m 17s)

> It was so obvious that iPadOS was going to be taking advantage of bucket loads of RAM in the future.

(12m 24s)

> You could just see it with all the rumors coming out of the development of Final Cut and all these different programs.

(12m 30s)

> And you could see developers were itching to get their hands on more RAM.

(12m 34s)

> And just from the past, iPads have just got such a great reputation of having such good life.

(12m 42s)

> You can just hang on to these things for years and years.

(12m 44s)

> I knew to future-proof that you’ve got to go for more RAM.

(12m 47s)

> But, um…

(12m 48s) Tim Chaten:

> – Yeah, and with one terabyte, you get the 16 gigabytes of RAM.

(12m 49s) Matthew Daley:

> That’s exactly what we wanted.

(12m 50s) Tim Chaten:

> That’s the exact configuration I have as well.

(12m 55s) Matthew Daley:

> That was exactly…

(12m 56s)

> Yeah, nice, nice.

(12m 57s)

> Yeah, you’ve done it nice.

(12m 58s)

> So we really wanted to do that because one of the things that drew…

(13m 4s)

> Mike and I, actually, to the iPads and to go iPad only so long ago…

(13m 10s)

> I mean, we’ll get onto this in a moment, sure.

(13m 13s)

> But one of the things that drew us to the iPads originally in the beginning was actually just the speed of these things.

(13m 19s)

> And just knowing that the software was going to be taking advantage of that RAM going forward, we just had to.

(13m 26s)

> So, yeah, so the one terabyte and the two terabyte, as you know, were the ones that came out of the 16 gigs.

(13m 32s)

> and I can’t wait to see what…

(13m 34s)

> the new ones are going to come out with she’s a crossing fingers for…

(13m 35s) Tim Chaten:

> – Yes.

(13m 36s)

> Well, it’s interesting.

(13m 38s) Matthew Daley:

> for the… for… for…

(13m 40s)

> what would it be? 30? 32, huh?

(13m 42s) Tim Chaten:

> When the M2s came out, there was that wonder,

(13m 47s)

> will they put 24 gigabytes,

(13m 48s)

> which the M2 is capable of in any iPad,

(13m 49s) Matthew Daley:

> Yeah, yeah, I Wonder huh It’s got to be 24 or yeah as you said Right That’s it that that’s a good point so I’m sure it’s got to be 24 absolutely Yeah, because they generally follow that suit with iPad with the with the MacBook is

(13m 51s) Tim Chaten:

> like the two terabyte, that just didn’t happen.

(13m 53s)

> So I do wonder if, you know, M3,

(13m 56s)

> they’ll finally make that jump to, you know, a third.

(13m 59s)

> Yeah, ’cause 24 is the max for M2,

(14m 3s)

> but no iPads have that.

(14m 5s)

> on board yet.

(14m 14s)

> the MacBook area.

(14m 16s) Matthew Daley:

> Yeah, okay. Yeah, so yes

(14m 19s)

> So that’s it so that’s why so that’s the iPad front and then running external hardware in the form of magic trackpad and magic keyboard before you know Really as a pro pro tip for anyone in the audience. I’m debating a trackpad. You just got to do it It just makes such a big difference in terms of speed and productivity and it just fits in with the iPad just so well. Oh

(14m 47s)

> Geez it just gets you

(14m 49s)

> closer to that sort of that vision of like that minority report style moving windows around it’s just so close to that and I mean yeah we can go on another tangent again with with vision pro apple vision pro and how you’re moving there it just fits the ipad so well doesn’t it it’s like it’s like they they took the whole concept from there I’ve often said to Michael and I’m here here we go again I’m going off on a tangent but I’ve often said to Michael you know the um the The iPad has always been sort of like the.

(15m 1s) Tim Chaten:

> – Yes, it does, yeah.

(15m 19s) Matthew Daley:

> The F1 of like the, you know, sort of the Mac world in that it’s sort of like the testbed for so many different features that eventually come to Mac and and you’re sort of seeing it with Apple Vision Pro it just, you know, it’s sort of like they’re taking the most modern platform.

(15m 36s)

> And the way the most intuitive software, and they’re bringing it into Apple Vision Pro is, you know, the where they see the world moving to very cool but.

(15m 47s) Tim Chaten:

> – Yeah, as far as the external monitors,

(15m 49s) Matthew Daley:

> But yeah, so then.

(15m 50s) Tim Chaten:

> anything special or they just, yep.

(15m 52s) Matthew Daley:

> Yeah.

(15m 52s) Tim Chaten:

> Mm-hmm.

(15m 53s) Matthew Daley:

> Right, so I’ve got the 5k ultra fine.

(15m 53s) Tim Chaten:

> Mm-hmm.

(15m 57s) Matthew Daley:

> 27 inch.

(15m 59s)

> And it is it is such a gorgeous display.

(16m 3s)

> Well, it’s particularly important for all for us for our line of work when it comes to a bit of graphic design and that kind of stuff but also ties in with just hobby wise which will touch base in a mo.

(16m 19s)

> And then we also, Michael and also is running the cold digit Soho doc for portability that is just such an awesome doc, but I’m sure we’ll probably touch base on that in a minute.

iPadOS 17

(16m 36s) Matthew Daley:

> Mike.

(16m 36s) Tim Chaten:

> And then you guys are both running iOS 7.

(16m 42s) Matthew Daley:

> Yep, exactly. And so we both running the betas.

(16m 47s)

> betas that we we decided

(16m 49s)

> to dive into so we’re sort of we we’re sort of virgin beta testers if you like so this is our first one and actually Tim you helped us convince help convince us to jump into these because we historically in the past the betas have always had a very sort of dodgy name because you just don’t know what’s going to happen and they they’ve just gotten substantially better and they are geez I

(17m 12s) Tim Chaten:

> Yeah, they are getting better with like releasing stuff that’s more usable for my…

(17m 19s) Matthew Daley:

> leave how much more stable this beta is compared to say goodness iPad OS 16 she’s wow that was that was an interesting way because you went full-blown into into that beta didn’t you that must have been a journey yeah geez

(17m 25s) Tim Chaten:

> Oh, yeah. Yes. For sure. Yeah. Yeah, that was an interesting journey.

(17m 37s)

> Yeah. So Mike, how are you finding the betas? Any stage manager,

(17m 47s)

> something that you use frequently? Or are you still using split?

(17m 52s) Michael Daley:

> – No, indeed, yeah, I find iOS 17 being incredible.

(17m 57s)

> I mean, the beta, you know, obviously you come up with bugs,

(18m)

> you will always in the betas as one does,

(18m 3s)

> but stage manager I find is working really well.

(18m 6s)

> I find that I have a permanently active,

(18m 9s)

> previously in iOS 16, I would, you know,

(18m 12s)

> be jumping with it on or off because I just find the freedom of the windows being very limited on iOS 16.

(18m 19s)

> Whereas iPad, you know, iOS 17, you can now,

(18m 23s)

> you can size them up as and where you want and you just, it’s just incredible.

(18m 26s)

> So I find that being very intuitive, very easy to use and yeah, quite frankly,

(18m 31s)

> I can’t see myself going back to split screen.

(18m 33s) Tim Chaten:

> Yeah. Excellent. Yeah. What are some of your common kind of stage manager setups?

(18m 33s) Michael Daley:

> I just, you know, I love the way stage manager works.

(18m 40s) Tim Chaten:

> Do you have like a little tiny window and like a bigger window that takes…

(18m 46s) Michael Daley:

> Yes indeed, so I mean depending on what apps I’m running like you know sometimes if for example we’ve been doing a lot of web editing which I’m sure we’re going to go into just now and I’ll have for example I’ll have you know I’ll have Safari open in one window, I’ll have drafts open in another window and then I’ll have Affinity Photo in another window and those that would be one stage and then in a separate stage I’ll have another sort of referencing setup as well and yeah I just find that

(19m 16s)

> being able to move those windows around for referencing purposes although it’s a little limiting in the sense that you can only have four windows in one stage so that’s that can yes exactly so I do find that a little bit limiting and frustrating but in general I think overall I’m very happy with IOS 17 and yeah looking forward to the final

(19m 19s) Tim Chaten:

> Yeah.

(19m 19s)

> It’s funny, now that we have small windows, I could want more of them, since we have room for more.

(19m 31s) Matthew Daley:

> Yeah, it is funny.

(19m 44s) Tim Chaten:

> – Excellent, yeah.

(19m 45s)

> And Matthew, beyond Stage Manager,

(19m 48s)

> anything else in 17 that’s caught your eye?

(19m 50s)

> I know for me, I’m just waiting for the App Store to open up with third-party apps for those widgets,

(19m 56s)

> but anything else?

(19m 57s) Matthew Daley:

> Jeez. Nailed it, Tim. On the money, I cannot wait for the widgets to start coming out to have live widgets. I mean, you know, where you can actually interact with the widget, it doesn’t just jump you into the app. That is going to be so handy. I mean, if I have a look at my home screen right now, my home screen is just filled with widgets with my dock underneath, but they are all functional usable widgets, you know, whether it be fantastic.

(20m 27s)

> or the shortcuts widget with sort of four shortcuts that I frequently use and then I scroll up through them, or PDF expert or, you know, in our business we have to follow the exchange rates very carefully, so we’ve got XE as a little widget on our iPads. I mean, there’s just so many, it’s just full, but it’s all functional and it’s all just nice information at a glance that you can…

(20m 57s)

> use but I must say I’m really looking forward to these these apps starting to become you know properly compatible in the in the release because there’s a lot of nice apps that we use that you can see they you know that you know they obviously with it being a beta they’re not you know they haven’t updated the apps yet to run a hundred percent and you you know you can feel it and you just sort of think to yourself every day oh I can’t wait for this to be to be sorted.

(21m 24s) Tim Chaten:

> – Yeah, yeah, a couple of weeks here.

(21m 26s)

> We’re close, yeah.

(21m 27s) Matthew Daley:

> Yeah, we are, that’s true, we’re so close, yeah.

(21m 27s) Tim Chaten:

> So when you guys are using external monitors,

Using the iPad with External Displays

(21m 34s) Tim Chaten:

> do you use your iPad screen at all?

(21m 37s)

> Is it kind of at your fingertips?

(21m 38s)

> Is it like me where it’s eye level on a stand or are you just mainly working on the-

(21m 47s) Michael Daley:

> Yeah, I definitely use it as a second monitor, if I can say, you know, as I will.

(21m 54s)

> I do use it as my main computing device, you know, and my second screen is also used as a primary.

(22m 1s)

> However, the iPad I often use, it’s on my right-hand side, it’s at eye level.

(22m 6s)

> I’ve got the camera sort of between me and the, or between the iPad rather and the external,

(22m 12s)

> so that way, when I do have meetings, etc., it actually looks like I’m facing the camera.

(22m 17s)

> So, I’ve, sensor stage does do a very good job at centering you into the position, so that does help as well.

(22m 25s)

> But yeah, overall, I do definitely find myself using the display a little bit more than I would say the iPad, just, you know, I’m running an LG 27-inch 4K monitor, so it’s not quite the level as a 5K, so I do find that when I’m doing editing on photos, etc., that my my iPad screen is just the quality and the pixels of it.

(22m 31s) Tim Chaten:

> – Mm-hmm.

(22m 47s) Michael Daley:

> way better so I’m able to then do the fine adjustments on that and I find that a lot easier but I do use the iPad obviously as a reference as well when primarily using the display.

(22m 58s) Tim Chaten:

> Are either of you tempted by the external camera support in iOS 17 when you’re working on external monitors

(23m 4s) Matthew Daley:

> Yeah, it’s funny, we’ve actually we’ve debated that a few times, the LG Ultrafine that I’m using now has got a built-in camera on it, but it’s just because of the way I’ve got my iPad set up underneath the 5k, the camera is just too high and so getting an external would be pretty neat.

(23m 30s) Tim Chaten:

> Right Yeah, cuz you can put it anywhere

(23m 34s) Matthew Daley:

> As a camera, for sure.

(23m 36s)

> Put it anywhere, exactly.

(23m 38s) Michael Daley:

> But also, I mean, having, yeah, sorry to butt in there,

(23m 38s) Matthew Daley:

> it anyway exactly.

(23m 40s) Michael Daley:

> but having similar support like the Mac does,

(23m 42s)

> whereby you can use your iPhone as another camera,

(23m 45s)

> that in itself would assist, you know, a lot further.

(23m 47s) Matthew Daley:

> They’ve got to bring that out. They’ve got to do it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that’s true. Another nice thing.

(23m 48s) Tim Chaten:

> That would be nice. Apple TV has it.

(23m 49s) Michael Daley:

> Yeah.

(23m 50s) Tim Chaten:

> Yeah. They really need monitors with cameras kind of in the center of the display, kind of underneath the pixels.

(23m 58s) Matthew Daley:

> Oh, wow. Wouldn’t I mean like nothing’s nothing’s impossible. Hey, with the way Apple are going. Another another neat thing.

(24m 9s)

> Just in the way I use my iPad with my monitor, I bought a an extra long.

(24m 17s)

> Thunderbolt cable that that plug that obviously gets plugged into the iPad.

(24m 22s)

> But the beauty of that is that I can take my iPad off of I’ve got these satake.

(24m 29s)

> It is the I’m just trying to think of the name of the stand. It’s the satake stand that you can adjust it sort of any angle and it collapses and folds onto itself.

(24m 36s) Tim Chaten:

> Hmm.

(24m 39s) Matthew Daley:

> And so it just sits under my my 5K display in the middle. But the beauty of having a long.

(24m 47s)

> Thunderbolt cable is that you can pick up your iPad and you can bring it right up close to you without having to worry about now your cable, you know, maxing out in terms of length.

(24m 59s)

> You can put it straight next to you. Draw the sign, annotate documents and annotate whatever needs to be annotated and put it back on the display.

(25m 8s)

> So you can sort of just move it around anywhere and that just having a long Thunderbolt cable makes a huge difference.

(25m 17s)

> And yeah, that’s that’s definitely a nice thing to have.

(25m 20s) Tim Chaten:

> Yeah, I think I have the whatever maximum length six foot one as well and they’re expensive, but they’re they’re handy Yeah, they’re they’re not cheap

(25m 25s) Matthew Daley:

> Oh, they are not cheap. Yeah, not cheap.

(25m 30s)

> And if you have a look for some of those little elbow connectors that allow you to to run the Thunderbolt cable at like an L shape so that it’s nice and flush against the back of your monitor.

(25m 41s)

> Don’t even try. Get started on looking for those. I had to I mean, I’m in South Africa to bring one in from I think.

(25m 47s)

> I brought it in from like the U.K. because there’s just none available. And of course, it’s Thunderbolt.

(25m 49s) Tim Chaten:

> – Right, yeah, right, yeah.

(25m 54s) Matthew Daley:

> So, you know, it’s like one of a kind. But you see, you know, that’s that’s why we own these things. It really does make life fun, I must be honest.

(25m 54s) Tim Chaten:

> So can you guys go through aspects of your job and how the iPad is that perfect tool to use versus say Mac or a Surface?

How you use the iPad for your job?

(26m 18s) Michael Daley:

> So basically with the iPad, obviously, I mean the speed of this thing, I just find it incredible how quickly it opens apps and how you’re able to multitask so quickly.

(26m 29s)

> And that’s what drew us to using iPads initially, was just having that. And then the versatility behind it where you could take it anywhere.

(26m 36s)

> Yes, you can take a MacBook technically anywhere and what have you as well, you know.

(26m 41s)

> But the iPad being able to be touch-based and because we’ve been through a lot of customers interactions, we’ve been in the face of the customers as well.

(26m 48s)

> As well as in our distributors who are selling the products as well.

(26m 51s)

> Having the iPad being there that you can then simply just keep it on you, show the guys a video or do a demonstration on the iPad, take notes on it, you know, all from one place.

(27m 1s)

> It’s just, yeah, I find that being one of the very good selling point.

(27m 6s) Matthew Daley:

> yeah also the set the cellular I mean I mean as we’ve mentioned we moved on to onto iPad I mean my first one was the third gen iPad when it first launched now you think how long ago that was so – and I mean I went iPad she’s yeah that’s a long time ago I mean how that must be it’s gotta be ten years ago 2014 There you go. Yeah, so that’s nearly ten years ago

(27m 24s) Tim Chaten:

> That’s the dock connector age It’s one 2014 pretty sure

(27m 36s) Matthew Daley:

> And at that point I just jumped straight in with iPad only and because as Michael said We do a lot of work in the face of the customer the that portability But that screen was so clear and the fact that we also had cellular, you know You just in those days. You just couldn’t dream of that kind of the situation on on a on a PC But the back yeah

(27m 58s) Tim Chaten:

> Well, excuse me, I’m looking up now.

(28m 1s)

> March 2012 is when iPad 3 came out, at least in America.

(28m 4s) Matthew Daley:

> That’s what I thought. I thought it was longer

(28m 5s) Tim Chaten:

> Yeah, yeah.

(28m 6s) Matthew Daley:

> than that. Right. OK. So I mean, and I went iPad only. There were so many guys, every second person I spoke to was sort of like, gee, you know, how do you how you doing that? You know, and there were lots of workarounds. I mean, you couldn’t even attach an attachment to an email back then you had to use like third party apps like eye attachment. And wow, that’s that’s going back. That’s going back a while. But yeah, cellular was a big deal. The battery battery life.

(28m 16s) Tim Chaten:

> – Right.

(28m 30s)

> – Yeah, and how is coverage in Africa?

(28m 35s)

> I know certain parts,

(28m 40s)

> you’re just not gonna have any service at all,

(28m 41s)

> but the parts that the factories are in,

(28m 44s)

> you have coverage there and going from country to country,

(28m 47s) Matthew Daley:

> Yeah, it’s a good question. Yeah. It’s a good question. In South Africa, we’re very well covered. I mean, most of the country is operating off of 5G now. So in South Africa, you’re well-kitted. You’ve got no problems there. When you start going cross-border, Botswana,

(28m 49s) Tim Chaten:

> you know, does like roaming, is that good for, yeah,

(29m 17s) Matthew Daley:

> Zimbabwe, well, then that’s another story. Then the world changes. So there, we just sort of make do with whatever’s available. But I mean, if we add a customer there, we generally, if we cross-border, we’ll be at the plant or at the distributor’s offices or what have you. And there, we’re doing presentations or showing the guys videos or whatever the story is it’s it’s stuff that’s saved locally.

(29m 47s)

> to the device there you try and rely as little on mo as on mobile connection as possible.

(29m 47s) Tim Chaten:

> – Right.

(29m 48s)

> And you have one terabyte,

(29m 51s) Matthew Daley:

> Oh, yeah, exactly. Exactly. But in South Africa, it’s actually it works really well. I mean, we,

(29m 53s) Tim Chaten:

> so you can download as much as you.

(30m 3s) Matthew Daley:

> we do so many so many video calls and things like live on the ground on site. And so there’s so much high data stuff that we do just just locally at the at the customer on site.

Using the back camera during video calls

(30m 17s) Matthew Daley:

> It works really well.

(30m 18s) Tim Chaten:

> Does with the video calls does the swapping do you use the back camera much in those calls to like show stuff off?

(30m 18s) Matthew Daley:

> Cellular is a big.

(30m 24s) Tim Chaten:

> Is that a thing?

(30m 26s) Matthew Daley:

> You know that that that’s actually that I wanted to touch base on this One of the coup one of the coolest things we did in in in a video call with with one of our distributors We were presenting to about 60 people and we were showcasing one of our one of our products which actually which actually it’s a line marking applicator and we were showcasing this product in our warehouse and what we did was one of our guys was

(30m 26s) Tim Chaten:

> Yeah

(30m 56s) Matthew Daley:

> our offices in Johannesburg and he was on the call and so, you know, he was talking to everyone giving a presentation what-have-you and Just from his from his iPad normally so people you know a lot of the guys thought that he was just on a normal laptop and then One I can’t remember who it was. I think I started speaking and then he Switched off his camera went downstairs into the warehouse switched the camera around and now he’s now effectively

(31m 23s)

> operating a live camera with Zoom.

(31m 26s)

> functionality focusing focus modes and the whole thing through teams so then when I said right and launching and introducing this new product here we have Richard taking you away and then we switched to Richard and here he is filming live this product and guys just couldn’t believe it guys are sort of thinking geez this is like this is production value you know you just can’t do that on anything else and that was neat no no

(31m 47s) Tim Chaten:

> – Right.

(31m 48s)

> No, you try to do it with a MacBook and good luck aiming that front facing camera the right way.

(31m 56s) Matthew Daley:

> it’s just not gonna work it’s like so I’m like Egyptian thing yeah no so that that was that that was really neat and I mean the camera focuses itself for you so when you switch that camera around if you’re presenting to people it is so powerful because it it auto focuses and it does that really really well and so people sort of think you know that you’re playing around with pretty high you know, high-tech gear, actually it’s it’s just your iPad.

(31m 56s) Tim Chaten:

> Or you need to get one of those mirror systems.

(31m 58s)

> We put a mirror on top of the MacBook lid to try to, yeah, right.

(32m 1s) Michael Daley:

> Yeah.

(32m 2s)

[laughing]

(32m 26s) Tim Chaten:

> – Right. That’s really cool, yeah.

(32m 26s) Matthew Daley:

> Pro. Yeah, pretty neat. Yeah. Yeah.

(32m 29s) Tim Chaten:

> And so that’s kind of like part of that aspect,

(32m 35s)

> selling the product, how much of the backend stuff with the website for the company do you guys deal with and what’s the web development on the iPad?

Website Management

(32m 45s) Matthew Daley:

> Right, and I think Mike actually will be able to touch base a lot on this. We’ve actually been involved in a complete website overhaul at the moment. It’s been a massive undertaking.

(32m 47s) Tim Chaten:

> Is that something that you guys do much of?

(33m 1s) Matthew Daley:

> And yeah, we’ve done it from the ground up off of our iPad Pros, the full development of the website, and it’s a big website. And Mike, yeah, Mike will tell you a bit more

(33m 11s) Michael Daley:

> So from the web development side, it’s we’re not coding the website from that front We got a web development team to do that in to do the backbone of it But we were inserting all the data all the media and we were then obviously Editing all that media locally on our iPads evolved using apps like Affinity photo For example is a big one where we obviously have different layers and just you know completely You know changing the the different photos etc that we have on there and the media files then, you know changing the resolutions etc

(33m 16s) Tim Chaten:

> Yeah. Mm-hmm.

(33m 41s) Michael Daley:

> To allow to fit perfectly on the different as areas of the website as well you know doing a lot of referencing whereby we would be taking text from our Our UK based company our head offices sort of website We had used their one of our one of our suppliers websites and taking information from there Converting into drafts and then covering that text over them putting it into WordPress Which was the platform that we are using and that was it was the cloud-based WordPress. We

(34m 11s)

> Weren’t using the app. So we’re using it via Safari and Yes, indeed and Initially, you know, it was a little bit frustrating, you know dragging and dropping I find, you know, especially with large media files It was quite difficult I you know It was a little bit of touch-and-go Trying to hold it over the drop zone for a while for to upload and then you could let go then it would work

(34m 14s) Tim Chaten:

> Yeah, I find that’s the best way to interface with WordPress.

(34m 36s) Michael Daley:

> And at that stage, I don’t believe there was an upload button at least it wasn’t working well for

(34m 41s)

> That stage and I know that they did do some updates to it recently and now they are upload buttons And it seems to be working a hell of a lot better And those were some frustrations that we had but overall I found it You know extremely easy to work with, you know and having the iPad the way it is with with the display We have used as a reference and I could have my iPad in front of me You know with like an Apple pencil where I could edit in the media documents etc right there then reference it back to the description.

(35m 11s)

> So, I think we are nine months in that of doing this website now. And we are now at the end, so it’s taken a while.

(35m 37s)

> taking a while and this is obviously on top of doing our day-to-day jobs where we

(35m 41s)

> looking after customers and distributors and attending to mail it’s not like full-time website focus you know so so yeah and then I’ve had

(35m 49s) Matthew Daley:

> And I mean, we have–

(35m 50s)

> yeah, sorry to interrupt you.

(35m 52s)

> We had two other guys working with us as well.

(35m 55s)

> Because there’s four of us involved in sales and on the website development side of things.

(36m 2s)

> So this work was split over four of us.

(36m 6s)

> And it’s taken like nine months.

(36m 8s)

> It’s been so much work.

(36m 9s)

> But as Michael said, using your external monitors,

(36m 13s)

> being able to display all the windows out where you’ve got pages or different pages of the website open.

(36m 19s)

> All around you and like websites that you’re pulling information from or files that you that you’re pulling stuff from has just been fantastic. It’s it’s such a nice canvas to be able to work on such a big screen. It’s been it really has been excellent and and video editing you know that was the other thing. I mean we’ve you know we’ve got a lot of videos on that website but we’ve had to edit them all locally to like South Africanize them to make sure that our details are at the end.

(36m 49s)

> to like cut them where they need to need it to be cut and we’ve been able to do all of that very professionally in LumaFusion. It’s amazing what you can do in that app as you know Tim, LumaFusion is just so good. The production side of things that you can do with that is brilliant. So we use that as well. And then, oh it does.

(37m 10s) Tim Chaten:

> – Yeah, and WordPress really does shine on a huge external monitor.

(37m 14s)

> Like it’s a website that just craves screen space.

(37m 17s)

> Like you can do it on the iPad screen if it’s full screen,

(37m 19s) Matthew Daley:

> Yeah, it does, it’s so nice.

(37m 20s) Tim Chaten:

> but it wants as much space as possible.

(37m 26s) Matthew Daley:

> I mean, I just couldn’t fathom, I mean, if we didn’t have our external monitors,

(37m 30s)

> we could have got it done, no problem.

(37m 33s)

> But, geez, yeah, it would have been a mission, that’s for sure.

(37m 38s) Tim Chaten:

> Yeah, it’s kind of wild like we’re only two years into external monitors and like I can’t imagine not having that support now

(37m 39s) Matthew Daley:

> But, No, it’s actually changed the way I’ve looked at it.

(37m 46s)

> It’s actually changed the way I’ve looked.

(37m 49s)

> It’s changed the way I’ve looked at what I want next in an iPad because now screen real estate is no longer a concern because I have this gorgeous, ginormous, well I think ginormous 27 inch.

(38m 1s)

> And so I’m sort of thinking, well, hold on a second, I could probably go smaller because I don’t need such a big screen on the iPad anymore.

(38m 9s)

> I could probably do, I could do an 11 inch, but just make it super potent and then I’d basically work primarily from the external display and just have this.

(38m 17s) Tim Chaten:

> versus prior to this, like a 15-inch iPad,

(38m 20s) Matthew Daley:

> Wait, exactly. Oh, I know, I know, I know.

(38m 22s) Tim Chaten:

> which I still kind of want to see what that’s like.

(38m 24s)

> Yeah, but yeah, I mean, then the needs are different.

(38m 28s) Michael Daley:

> But then I think with a 15 inch,

(38m 30s)

> yeah, sorry to butt in there.

(38m 32s)

> I think with a 15 inch,

(38m 33s)

> then you’re sort of juggling now the portability aspect of the iPad and the pros with that.

(38m 35s) Tim Chaten:

> – Yes, yeah, right.

(38m 37s) Michael Daley:

> So it’s like, how far do you take it?

(38m 39s)

> You know, that’s, that’s, yeah.

(38m 40s) Tim Chaten:

> It becomes a desktop, you know,

(38m 41s) Matthew Daley:

> But you see, it’s that whole thing, yes, which I’m totally OK with.

(38m 44s) Tim Chaten:

> more of a desktop iPad than you have your portable one that you bring on the road.

(38m 52s) Matthew Daley:

> I mean, you know, the bigger iPad, the better.

(38m 54s)

> And I mean, if they come up with a 15 inch, well, I can tell you right now,

(38m 57s)

> Michael and I are getting that 15 inch.

(38m 58s)

> You know, there’s just– we’re not getting that thing.

(39m 2s)

> We have to as our next upgrade.

(39m 5s)

> But, you know, but then it’s going to become more desk, as you said.

(39m 9s)

> It’s going to basically live on the desk.

(39m 11s)

> It’s fine because we don’t want to work from anything else.

(39m 14s)

> So if it stays on the desk all the time, that’s cool.

(39m 16s)

> But, you know, it is nice to like take it around with you, you know, like,

(39m 21s)

> you know, work anywhere.

(39m 22s)

> The portability side of it still is just nothing compares.

(39m 25s) Tim Chaten:

> – Yeah, and have you dabbled with the Final Cut Pro for iPad yet?

(39m 31s)

> – I know changing apps, like once you learn the moves,

Video Editing

(39m 35s) Tim Chaten:

> usually you have that down, like it’s a lot to just,

(39m 38s)

> you know, get out and learn this whole new,

(39m 41s) Matthew Daley:

> Right, I know, and in fact before Final Cut came out I was really thinking about DaVinci Resolve because I know you can do a lot with that but then before…

(39m 41s) Tim Chaten:

> very complicated app as well.

(39m 50s)

> – Yeah.

(39m 50s)

> Yeah, DaVinci is basically the entire desktop app in the iPad, especially if you do that little trick that enables all the hidden,

(39m 57s) Matthew Daley:

> Oh, full out. Yeah, right, and I mean I’ve heard so many of the pros saying that

(40m 1s) Tim Chaten:

> there’s all these hidden palettes that are by default turned off.

(40m 11s) Matthew Daley:

> these are pro video editors saying that DaVinci Resolve on iPad is as good as the desktop version and guys cannot believe how smooth the playback is and how fast it works and a lot of guys are saying that unless you have a very high-end machine you just can’t compare with the iPad performance, the M1 performance with DaVinci Resolve, it’s just so good but Final Cut is just so

(40m 41s)

> user-friendly, it is just a much easier learning, there’s a much easier learning curve around Final Cut but yeah the LumaFusion is so good, it’s difficult to sort of say okay well you know what, heck I’ve got some time on my hands, let me go and learn a whole new video editor, I mean who has that kind of time on their hands these days you know, so I do a lot of drone filming where I’m just filming wildlife and whether it’s…

(40m 59s) Tim Chaten:

> – Right, yeah.

(41m 11s) Matthew Daley:

> whales or even just sort of home video stuff, you know, with like the kids and things and because to me, you know, those kind of… doing that kind of stuff is just like so precious and it’s timeless and I know you’ve got a little one now which… so you’re going to get into all that.

(41m 23s) Tim Chaten:

> It is yeah, I Do I have I’ve learned so much about photo thing since she has been brought into this world [Laughter]

(41m 29s) Matthew Daley:

> There you go. And filming and stuff and then, you know, you can edit it all yourself on the LumaFusion and save it and then you’ve got these memories forever.

(41m 41s)

> And I mean, what could be more important than that?

(41m 43s)

> So I’ve been doing a lot of that and being able to do it on a larger screen is just so nice.

(41m 50s)

> And being able to do it with LumaFusion, it is just it is so easy and intuitive.

(41m 55s)

> It’s it really is just such a nice app to work with.

(41m 59s)

> You really don’t feel like you limited at all.

(42m 1s) Tim Chaten:

> Yeah, and their new multi-cam stuff is fantastic. I’m not sure if you’ve had a use for that quite yet.

(42m 3s) Matthew Daley:

> Yeah.

(42m 4s)

> I’ve been I’ve been tempted.

(42m 6s) Tim Chaten:

> Yeah.

(42m 8s) Matthew Daley:

> I’ve been tempted, but I’ve got to start

(42m 9s)

> about what to actually like.

(42m 10s) Tim Chaten:

> You know for the home videos you have like three adults filming the kids all at once and cut between it or something.

(42m 11s) Matthew Daley:

> You know how do I want to make use of this because I really need that in my life.

(42m 15s)

> Yeah, well I filmed, I filmed, we had, it was one of our Christmases a couple of years ago and I set up, just about four years ago, I had to take my iPad, my iPhone, my wife’s iPhone and like stage them so when the kids woke up in the morning I could get different

(42m 19s) Tim Chaten:

[Laughter]

(42m 19s) Michael Daley:

[laughing]

(42m 21s)

[laughs]

(42m 38s) Tim Chaten:

> – Yeah.

(42m 38s)

> That’s essentially a great use of it, yeah.

(42m 41s) Matthew Daley:

> things out of them like running through the house and then yeah and then put them all together but with multi-cam that’s going to be, that’s going to be brilliant. Yeah.

(42m 43s) Tim Chaten:

> Yeah.

(42m 47s)

[indistinct]

(42m 48s)

> Yeah.

(42m 49s)

> Yeah, I heard a interesting scenario of like, you know,

(42m 51s)

> at a wedding, you have a bunch of people just filming and then you use audio sync.

(43m) Matthew Daley:

> That audio sync is very cool. I’ve heard about this feature. Yeah, that’s that’s really neat. Yeah

(43m 4s) Tim Chaten:

> Yeah Yeah, so um how how big is the company itself? Do you and I know you know she mentioned IT support and helping perhaps people that are not nearby with Is the whole company iPad only so you’re working with other people with iPads trying to get them up and running?

IT support from iPad

(43m 17s) Matthew Daley:

> Okay. So, right. So, Mike, Mike actually handles our IT support. So, you know, we’re a small company. We’re only 13 people in our company. But, you know, with that, you know, the whole office

(43m 42s)

> at ground level are working off of max, but all you know.

(43m 47s)

> Our sales team and even our MD is fully iPad only and so from that perspective,

(43m 59s)

> I mean Mike you’ll be able to actually jump in now. I’ve got quite a few cool examples of IT support.

(44m 4s) Michael Daley:

> – Yeah, so as Matt was saying,

(44m 7s)

> I mean, mainly the sales staff use iPads and then we’ve got the guys that are based at the office,

(44m 14s)

> they are using Mac Minis.

(44m 16s)

> And so MacBook Airs,

(44m 18s)

> for those that work slightly more remotely,

(44m 20s)

> or even MacBook Pros.

(44m 22s)

> And so when it comes to the IT side of things,

(44m 25s)

> how I use my iPad,

(44m 27s)

> namely is with remote control of those devices.

(44m 30s)

> So if they have connection issues with printers,

(44m 32s)

> etc, etc, you know.

(44m 34s)

> Then I can jump on there, I can use, I love the like Screens Connect.

(44m 38s)

> I don’t know if you are familiar with that.

(44m 38s) Tim Chaten:

> Okay.

(44m 40s) Michael Daley:

> So I’m, I love that that app works extremely well, but for those, you know,

(44m 45s)

> that don’t know it, that you got TeamViewer as well, which is a very popular one.

(44m 49s)

> And then AnyDesk, AnyDesk goes to find works extremely well.

(44m 52s)

> That’s instant connectivity.

(44m 53s)

> It’s, it’s, it’s great, but Screens Connect is on a different level in the sense of the security behind it, etc.

(44m 59s)

> And I mean, it can be anything from as simple as, you know, for example,

(45m 4s)

> today, one of the ladies at the office contact me saying that they’re having issues connecting their mouse to the Mac.

(45m 10s) Tim Chaten:

[laughs]

(45m 10s) Michael Daley:

> And basically without the mouse, you can’t function because it’s a Mac Mini.

(45m 12s) Tim Chaten:

> Yeah, there’s no backup trackpad, yeah.

(45m 14s) Michael Daley:

> You can’t really operate it.

(45m 16s)

> And so I, exactly.

(45m 19s)

> So I have to jump on there remotely and quickly just forget the device and re reconnect it and boom, they were sorted.

(45m 26s)

> So it could be anything as simple as that through to, you know, anything more complicated, you know, working on like remote desktop, but then

(45m 34s)

> working from my iPad connected to the one of the Mac Minis jumping onto remote desktop and then having to sort out connectivity issues from that point of view as well.

(45m 43s)

> And yeah, so, so yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s quite a wide scope.

(45m 48s) Matthew Daley:

> But I mean, like a funny example like that, if we didn’t have that connectivity to be able to virtually assist that Mac Mini, it would have been a real mission to actually try and connect that, you know, get that connection back for that mouse.

(46m 5s)

> And when Michael was able to do it remotely across the country, like in seconds.

(46m 9s)

> I mean, yeah, that screens app is brilliant.

(46m 12s) Tim Chaten:

> – Yeah, and it’s nice with the magic keyboard.

(46m 15s)

> We have track pads and keyboards all the time now.

(46m 18s)

> Yeah, ’cause I assume you guys are both using the magic keyboard case thing when you’re not at the desk.

(46m 27s)

> Is that accurate or?

(46m 30s) Matthew Daley:

> Yep, exactly. Actually, I mean, you know, it’s always nice to take a break and get out and, you know, work in a different environment. It keeps the creative juices flowing and just nice to have a change of scenery. And I mean, nothing, nothing works better. And I think Michael shares the same view in our opinion, then that then the magic keyboard. I mean, the the trackpad is on that magic keyboard is unrivaled isn’t another keyboard case. That is the same trackpad feel.

(47m)

> But also, again, just being able to D dock it off of that case and just dock it again. And the quality of it is just so nice. So yeah, that’s definitely that’s definitely our go to case for for working out remotely or working when you’re seeing customers or you had trade shows. It’s just it’s just nice and easy to build to set up and get going. And it packs away nicely works on a plane beautifully as well.

(47m 20s) Tim Chaten:

> – Yeah, for sure.

(47m 21s)

> Yeah.

Graphic Design

(47m 25s) Tim Chaten:

> Mike, you mentioned earlier, graphic design,

(47m 28s)

> you know, with the website and stuff.

(47m 29s)

> Is Affinity the tool set you’ve mainly using or are there other apps that you dive into as well?

(47m 37s) Michael Daley:

> Initially, but this is going many years back, I was using a pixelmator.

(47m 44s)

> That was one of the first ones that I actually started to use and I really loved that.

(47m 48s)

> And then diving into doing a little bit more complex things with layering etc.

(47m 53s)

> I then did a little bit of research and found Affinity Photo.

(47m 57s)

> And I found that being, you know, was an extremely good and useful tool to have in my arsenal and I ended up doing most of the editing on that.

(48m 7s)

> You know, I’m not a photo editor by trade or anything of that nature.

(48m 11s)

> You know, this is all just self-learns and going on to tutorials and just trying to see how to do things.

(48m 15s)

> And I must admit if I’m not doing a lot of editing, you know, in a month,

(48m 20s)

> the next month when I start trying to pick it up again,

(48m 22s)

> it can be a little bit frustrating trying to learn all the tools and find out how it all works again.

(48m 27s)

> But you do pick it up easily, but I just find Affinity Photo just seems to work extremely well with the iPad.

(48m 33s)

> And yeah, I just loved it.

(48m 35s) Matthew Daley:

> little a little pro tip for guys that Mike and I have learned and affinity by far as Mike saying one of the best editing apps because it just has so much but the problem with affinity photo as I’ve heard you mentioned him on the podcast a number of times is it is complicated to use you know you did there is a big learning curve to using it but it is so powerful so the workaround there is simply and a lot of people forget this just go on Google or you

(49m 5s)

> to do this on Affinity Photo. You’ll find a video and in three minutes you’ll know how to do it.

(49m 17s)

> You go back to Affinity Photo and you can do that feature and it’s a little yeah that’s it’s It’s just the way to go.

(49m 19s) Tim Chaten:

> Yeah, that’s the way I learned back in my Mac days, 2006,

(49m 24s)

> I was new to the platform, like how to do this and look it up and then you know how to do it, yeah.

(49m 29s)

> And then with Affinity, sometimes I find changing my screen resolution on the iPad to be a bit bigger can be helpful.

(49m 39s) Matthew Daley:

> Do you know you mentioned increasing the screen resolution?

(49m 43s)

> but increasing image image resolution on photo mater Photometer the that is such a nice little tip. I mean if you want to oh It can hey For putting photos up on the up on a website or for using it in like whether you editing a brochure or a pamphlet Or what have you?

(49m 49s) Tim Chaten:

> – Yes.

(49m 49s)

> It can save a lot of photos doing the ML res–

(50m 5s)

> Imagine trade shows. Is that pretty useful? Blowing stuff up to be a reasonable looking thing when you eat the big?

(50m 12s) Matthew Daley:

> Well, exactly. I mean, I can’t tell you how many times photometer has saved us when we’ve had an old image And it’s the only image we have of let’s say a product shot or something But it’s like historic old and it’s pixelated and really bad You just go into photometer increase the image resolution and in like a couple seconds It looks 50% better and you’re like, wow. Okay, we can actually use this. Thanks very much, you know just from that So that’s a cool that’s a cool one to have but pixel meta

(50m 41s)

> Pixel mid is still

(50m 42s)

> It’s so you know user-friendly and they seem to be putting a bit more effort and time into it now and That is still a great app to work with. It’s just so user-friendly and easy Us too, us too, yeah It’s true yeah, no, yeah, we like pixel that now that’s a good one

(50m 52s) Tim Chaten:

> – Yeah, that’s the one I initially learned on.

(50m 54s)

> It’s still the easiest user-friendly one to use.

(50m 58s)

> Like it’s the least scary of all.

The M1 iPad

(51m 6s) Tim Chaten:

> Yeah. So as far as the M1 iPad, we talked about external displays. Any other aspects of that,

(51m 13s)

> you know, that chipset, that iPad that makes it kind of essential versus kind of the older iPads and, and, you know, what, what would make you, you know, you didn’t get the M2 because, you know,

(51m 24s) Matthew Daley:

> Yeah, yeah.

(51m 28s) Tim Chaten:

> there wasn’t much there and, you know, hover or whatever and a little bit faster, but

(51m 33s)

> What ship improved, like are we?

(51m 36s)

> Set to like the M5 like I’m pretty happy with them one like what yeah

(51m 40s) Matthew Daley:

> Yeah, us too, you know, we really, speed and power for us is a big deal. And, you know, a lot of people sort of think, oh, well, you know, why do you need so much power on the iPad, you know, the M1 is so fast, and what have you. But really, when you’re jumping between very large complex spreadsheets with like rows and rows of formulas per cell, when you jumping in from that straight It’s like a graphic design.

(52m 10s)

> app straight into like, let’s say potentially LumaFusion or back into a very large PDF that you that you’re busy editing. And you’ve got all these things laid out in front of you and you’re using Spotlight Search in between. And you’re using that, you know, Safari and what have you,

(52m 26s)

> when you snapping between those apps, it makes a big difference to your whole work experience. And ultimately your productivity if your machine is running super, super fast. Because at the end of day you you want the machine

(52m 40s)

> to keep up with you you don’t want your you to actually having to be slowing down to to keep up with the machine if you know what I mean and so forth so for us oh it makes a big does it makes a big difference and opening and closing documents you know we opening technical data sheets and and stuff all the time very very quickly for for reference and snapping backwards and forwards between things and again what are the things that we love with the iPad and like the trackpad and the external monitors.

(52m 48s) Tim Chaten:

> Yeah, and an extra RAM does keep stuff on board much longer.

(53m 10s) Matthew Daley:

> is that you can throw things up, you can spread things and, you know, jump into them, zoom in, zoom out, you can work very, very quickly. I mean, Tim, if you if you watch Michael work on his iPad, I mean, it’s he is so fast, you know, doing what he needs to do. And his brain is just working in his, you know, he shares a screen often with us in these meetings. And we’re just we’re just watching everything happening at like 100 miles an hour on his iPad. And I’m just like, I’m just like, wow, I mean, like some of our other colleagues that they’re like, Mike, just slow down.

(53m 40s)

> She can’t see what you’re doing yet. And that’s, that’s m1. But you, you know, at, you know, we’re not like, you know, geniuses or anything like that. But we just want to be able to work quickly, you know, and you know, you want you want that performance, it really does make a big difference. If you’re somebody sitting in one single app, and all you do is sit in an app for 15 minutes or half an hour, whatever the story is, and then you casually jump into another app and and what have you then maybe not. But if you if you

(54m 10s)

> snapping between things, and you want to work quickly, and you want to get the most out of your iPad, and you know, it makes a big difference. It really does. And the m, the m2, the m2 wasn’t a big enough leap for us to really think about it and consider it. You know, I think I think we’re on m1. And we’ve got the 16 gigs of RAM, iPad or 17 is really starting to now take advantage of that. And I just don’t think it makes a lot of sense immediately.

(54m 40s)

> But then again, you say that it’s the October event comes around or the November event comes around and they they reveal an iPad that you just, you just start looking at the goods are in your house around you and what you can sell to afford this thing. You know that Apple have a way of doing that. So, you know, yeah, we’ll we’ll see. But I don’t know, Mike, if there’s anything you want to add on that side.

(54m 51s) Tim Chaten:

[chuckles]

(55m 2s) Michael Daley:

> I mean, it’s just the ecosystem really behind iPads. That’s what we love. We love iOS. And that’s,

(55m 7s)

> you know, that’s the whole reason behind it. And the M1 just, you know, supports that and just allows it to work so much better. And so, you know, the two that the way that they’re married together, I mean, I find it very difficult to compare it to another ecosystem. And just, yeah,

(55m 23s)

> like Matthew was saying, the snap is, you know, how snappy it is, how quickly it opens and closes,

(55m 28s)

> you know windows and getting between the different apps and you know just being able to

(55m 32s)

> to have that functionality I just really

(55m 36s) Matthew Daley:

> That’s a good point, yeah. It’s the operating system. It just feels, it feels so first world,

(55m 42s)

> it feels so progressive, you know, and even if you didn’t have the speed there,

(55m 45s)

> it’s just such a nice place to live in. It is such a nice place to work in.

(55m 50s) Tim Chaten:

> – Yeah.

(55m 50s) Matthew Daley:

> and yeah.

(55m 50s) Tim Chaten:

> So meetings, you mentioned virtual meetings being a big thing, you know,

(55m 59s)

> and being able to use the cameras in good regards there.

In Person Meetings

(56m 4s) Tim Chaten:

> Are in-person meetings something you still do regularly and how is the iPad?

(56m 10s)

> I think it’s great there ’cause you don’t have, with the laptop,

(56m 12s)

> you have this big barrier.

(56m 14s)

> Like what’s the experience there with iPad and sharing?

(56m 21s) Matthew Daley:

> – Yeah, that’s true.

(56m 23s)

> The barrier that a traditional laptop creates in front of a customer,

(56m 30s)

> it definitely has an impact on the meeting.

(56m 33s)

> There’s no doubt about it.

(56m 34s)

> I mean, we primarily are salespeople, that’s what we do.

(56m 37s)

> And being able to lie your iPad flat,

(56m 40s)

> it makes the meeting feel more open.

(56m 45s)

> It makes you feel more approachable.

(56m 47s)

> It doesn’t feel like you’re hiding anything.

(56m 49s)

> you’re not sitting behind something.

(56m 51s)

> You’re not sort of protecting yourself from the customer, so to speak, by having something up.

(56m 55s)

> It makes the whole place, the whole meeting environment feel very much open and more transparent and honest.

(57m 2s)

> And it does, it makes a big difference.

(57m 4s)

> I actually recently just got the iPad mini, the new one, the what is it?

(57m 8s) Tim Chaten:

> oh nice yeah I think it’s a sixth yeah

(57m 9s) Matthew Daley:

> Is it this? It’s the fifth, the fifth or the sixth?

(57m 12s)

> It’s the fifth, it’s the sixth.

(57m 15s)

> And I got that just for meeting notes because when you’re in a meeting,

(57m 18s)

> it’s again you just don’t have to have anything up and you can just

(57m 21s)

> just right in front of you and so with you probably think when you got an iPad you know I you know the iPad pro 12.9 why don’t you just use that but in a virtual meeting space you know where the customers looking through your camera you know and you want and you want it you don’t want to look like you’re talking you don’t your customer hearing keystrokes and things because you might think you’re responding for note-taking exactly exactly I mean you know otherwise the guy might think that you’re responding.

(57m 40s) Tim Chaten:

> – Oh, that’s interesting.

(57m 41s)

> So you’ll use the iPad mini while you’re on a virtual meeting as kind of your, yeah, I like that.

(57m 51s) Matthew Daley:

> to your friend or your wife or you’re busy you know typing something to something somebody else are you carrying on with an email or what have you it you know the person thinks that you’re paying a lot more attention to them when you’re taking down a note in front of you and then they can actually see the pen moving you know the iPad pen the the pencil moving and what have you so that’s that’s quite nice but and I’m sure yeah thanks Mike

(58m 12s) Michael Daley:

> I think another aspect there Matt, yeah sorry, another aspect there as well is also the touchscreen of the iPad. I mean if you’ve got a MacBook or another laptop or something in front of you, you’ve got to like now move your cursor around to try to find it etc. And you know that obviously is time consuming but also you sometimes can get lost. Whereas with the iPad you simply just use a finger and touch where you want to and it’s immediate and you know it’s less noisy and it’s just it’s just it’s far more easier and experience and I find that that’s right for face-to-face

(58m 42s)

> meetings as well as even virtual meetings and so having your your iPad in front of you being able to touch the screen without having to get lost with the cursor and etc I do find that it’s been quite useful

(58m 54s) Matthew Daley:

> Yeah, exactly. We do a lot of our interactions with our customers. To answer the second part of your question there, it’s very much split. So there’s still quite a balance. Obviously, during COVID, it was heavily virtual. But now it’s very much a balance where we’re doing a lot of virtual stuff. But we are also still involved face to face with the customers where required. You know, we often have to be on site, we often have to, you know, meet with our distributors.

(59m 24s)

> And so that kind of stuff when you’re there, then you just lie the iPad down, you take notes. But virtually, it really is a pleasure having such a high resolution camera as well. It was funny, I was actually with one of my colleagues and we were presenting to a customer and he’s, we always sort of like to have a go at each other because he’s a Mac user and I’m an iPad user. And he actually came from an iPad and went to a Mac when the new M series Macs came out.

(59m 45s) Tim Chaten:

> Yeah. Sure. Apple Silicon. Yeah.

(59m 54s) Matthew Daley:

> Yeah. And and so he moved to that and he likes to sort of chirp us on advantages that he’s got and we chirp him on advantages we’ve got. But in this meeting, he’s always gone on about, no, you know, there isn’t much of a difference on the camera and what have you. And then we went into this meeting and he said, you know, maybe we should actually just use your camera because you know what, there is actually quite a difference. And like, you know, that was quite funny. But yeah, just just on the camera, there is there’s a big

(1h 17s) Tim Chaten:

> Yeah, there is, yeah.

(1h 24s) Matthew Daley:

> difference in those. And the other thing that people the other thing that people don’t don’t talk about a lot is actually the studio quality microphones on the iPad Pro. You’ve got I think there’s five studio quality microphones on the iPad Pro. And the that quality of audio is really, really impressive, especially when you’re in when you’re in a meeting and you you can tell the difference. You really can. So that’s, yeah, that’s it. So we we quite like the the features of the iPad Pro, but we’re not going to talk about that.

(1h 54s)

> The iPad Pro when it comes to meetings and now with teams and mic, I can’t actually remember that if zoom are doing this now, but now you can actually keep your camera on. So your camera can remain on when you’re navigating the system. Yeah, and you don’t you don’t have that issue anymore. Whereas previously, if you wanted to, if you’re presenting to a team of people, and then you wanted to get a document and go back into teams, it would switch your video. And people sort of, you know, momentarily.

(1h 1m 8s) Tim Chaten:

> oh nice yeah

(1h 1m 24s) Matthew Daley:

> God, no, we lost the connection, you know, no, no, I’m still here just just grabbing something, you know, but that that that seems to be for

(1h 1m 27s) Tim Chaten:

> Yeah, with Stage Manager, it’s good that’s built into the apps, but I think with Stage Manager you’d probably have Stage Manager running and you know grab stuff in that same stage

(1h 1m 38s) Matthew Daley:

> Exactly, exactly, exactly. That is a plus. I mean, with stage manager, yeah, of course,

(1h 1m 45s)

> you can do that straight away. But yeah, Teams, Zoom, I mean, to be honest, we, at our office at one stage, when before I moved down to the Cape, when I was working at our offices up in Joburg, it’s a two-storey building, and our reception and a lot of our…

(1h 2m 8s)

> our team are at the bottom floor, on the bottom floor, where it’s easy to access the warehouse and what have you. And I just told everyone, just FaceTime me. Don’t phone me through the office line. You know, don’t root me through the office line. Just FaceTime me, because then it’s as if I’m standing right next to them. So I’m, you know, because I can see their face. I’m getting a more personalized interaction with them. And when I relocated,

(1h 2m 32s)

> nothing changed. So they just FaceTimed me again. Anyway, as if I was sitting right next to the visitor’s if I was sitting upstairs in my office.

(1h 2m 38s)

> But I was actually, I’m now 1,400 k’s away.

(1h 2m 41s)

> So, you know, so no, the, yeah, FaceTime, Team Zoom,

(1h 2m 47s)

> it just works so well on iPad.

(1h 2m 49s)

> No, we’ve got no complaints in that regard.

(1h 2m 51s)

> Hey, Mike.

(1h 2m 54s) Michael Daley:

> – No, yeah, my smartphone iPad has always been a great tool for us and from a meeting front,

(1h 2m 59s)

> I think FaceTime is what we use a lot into company and then with our distributors and clients,

(1h 3m 5s)

> we’re using Teams, I find is the go to.

(1h 3m 8s)

> That’s just because of accessibility.

(1h 3m 10s)

> A lot of our customers, et cetera, are using Windows,

(1h 3m 14s)

> so we would then be using Teams.

(1h 3m 17s)

> And you know, at the end of the day, Teams, it works.

(1h 3m 20s)

> You know, it gets the job done.

(1h 3m 22s)

> I mean, has quite a few.

(1h 3m 24s)

> Bugs, etc, but ultimately, the main thing is you’re able to communicate with whoever you need to and yeah, so like I said, get to jump on.

(1h 3m 32s) Tim Chaten:

> – Yeah, within your company, do you use the FaceTime links at all to add them like calendar events as a way of,

(1h 3m 39s)

> or do you just directly call the person?

(1h 3m 42s) Matthew Daley:

> Yeah, yeah, we remember Mike we used to do that a lot with our purchasing lady We used to because she We’d have to send her the FaceTime link Because she didn’t have a camera on her on her monitor at one stage so so exactly exactly and

(1h 4m 1s) Tim Chaten:

> Right. On like a Mac Mini or something.

(1h 4m 7s) Matthew Daley:

> So yeah, so we started sending her sending her the links to we sent them to her

(1h 4m 12s)

> phone, Mike. I’m just trying to think in the when that first when that first came out, we sent the link to her phone.

(1h 4m 13s) Michael Daley:

> Yeah, so she was running an iPhone, so then we had FaceTime her with the iPhone at that stage and she did upgrade and get some external cameras and microphones and that was unable to work for her.

(1h 4m 30s)

> But going back to the FaceTime links, I mean, I have had to use those on a number of occasions with customers, etc. as well and I find that being extremely useful and yeah, the way that to work now through web browser as well.

(1h 4m 42s) Tim Chaten:

> Yeah, yeah, yeah, I found them really great.

(1h 4m 43s) Michael Daley:

> It’s just games and accessibility of it.

(1h 4m 45s)

> And so we do often use users face on in CS.

(1h 4m 50s) Tim Chaten:

> And you have multiple ones ongoing and name them and all that.

(1h 4m 51s) Matthew Daley:

> >> Yeah. There’s no reason now why a customer can’t connect with you if you want to use FaceTime, which is great. So all your noise cancellation features, your center stage,

(1h 5m 3s)

> all that kind of stuff, you can keep within the virtual meeting app you want to use because it’s FaceTime, and then you just send the guys a link and they can open it on Android.

(1h 5m 9s) Tim Chaten:

> – Yeah.

(1h 5m 10s)

> Right, now they can, yeah.

Apple’s Apps

(1h 5m 15s) Tim Chaten:

> As far as the other Apple apps,

(1h 5m 19s)

> they’ve been improving a lot over the years.

(1h 5m 22s)

> You know, Notes used to be this IMAP based storage thing and Reminders was just this very basic to-do app.

(1h 5m 28s) Matthew Daley:

> Yeah, sheesh.

(1h 5m 29s) Tim Chaten:

> And we now have free form.

(1h 5m 32s)

> I’m not sure if you guys use that for planning stuff out,

(1h 5m 35s)

> but yeah, can you talk me through how you’re finding the Apple apps

(1h 5m 40s)

> and maybe their collaboration features have really kind of gotten them much better over the years.

(1h 5m 45s) Matthew Daley:

> – Yeah, that’s true.

(1h 5m 46s)

> We use the collaboration features on the Apple apps basically every single day and often throughout the day.

(1h 5m 55s)

> So what we’ve tried to do,

(1h 5m 57s)

> and Michael will be able to expand on this,

(1h 6m)

> we’ve tried to standardize to the major iWork apps.

(1h 6m 5s)

> So keeping it Apple-based for collaboration functionality and the tie-in with files and that.

(1h 6m 13s)

> So all of our presentation work–

(1h 6m 15s)

> everything is done on Keynote.

(1h 6m 16s)

> And for those who are not sure or interested in making the switch to Keynote, Keynote is so powerful.

(1h 6m 23s)

> The stuff that you can do on Keynote,

(1h 6m 25s)

> there are so many hidden features that you can just dive through menus to get to.

(1h 6m 32s)

> Tim, you had a great guy on.

(1h 6m 33s)

> In fact, not too long ago, I think he was a teacher at a school.

(1h 6m 36s) Tim Chaten:

> Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you can do a lot within Keynote. Like, it’s a whole… You can build,

(1h 6m 37s) Matthew Daley:

> And geez, he used Keynote like a machine.

(1h 6m 41s)

> I mean, that guy was quite impressive.

(1h 6m 45s)

> It’s so important to listen to.

(1h 6m 48s)

> Yeah, it’s a whole–

(1h 6m 49s) Tim Chaten:

> like, fake websites within there and interact to buns.

(1h 6m 49s) Matthew Daley:

> exactly.

(1h 6m 49s)

> It’s amazing.

(1h 6m 53s) Michael Daley:

[laughs]

(1h 6m 54s) Matthew Daley:

> Or if you like some cool animations in Keynote,

(1h 6m 57s)

> you can have that Keynote be recorded as a slide video and exported into the video editor you’re using.

(1h 7m 1s) Tim Chaten:

> – Yes.

(1h 7m 1s)

> Totally.

(1h 7m 4s) Matthew Daley:

> And it makes it look like you’re pretty advanced.

(1h 7m 8s)

> But yeah, it’s a little cheat tip there.

(1h 7m 10s)

> But no, so yeah, it’s a keynote.

(1h 7m 13s)

> We collaborate.

(1h 7m 15s)

> We collaborate heavily on Keynote when we’re building our presentations for our customers.

(1h 7m 18s)

> So we can have four or five people building the presentations together at any one time.

(1h 7m 22s)

> When we’re making our purchasing and generating our orders and things from our overseas suppliers,

(1h 7m 30s)

> yeah, again, we can have sort of five people working simultaneously in numbers.

(1h 7m 37s)

> And one of our other brothers, Robert, he’s a whiz kid when it comes to formulas for our our spreadsheet so we’ve got some seriously powerful spreadsheets.

(1h 7m 45s)

> But big, big spreadsheets and the formulas that he comes up with are brilliant.

(1h 7m 51s)

> So, yeah, so we’ve got shortcuts to jump into these folders in like, let’s say for numbers and what have you and that works really well.

(1h 8m 3s)

> But yeah, collaborating in notes, pages, we collaborate a lot in files, so we have company any shared folders in files, whether it be.

(1h 8m 15s)

> brochures or data sheets or just supply information that everyone can access and you can fiddle around with the parameters and files quite well. You can choose who sees what and you can remove certain access and things. They’ve come quite a long way. So the collaborations side of things, yeah, we do. We work a lot in collaboration with across the iWork suite.

(1h 8m 45s)

> Micah, I don’t know if you want to expand on anything on that side.

(1h 8m 49s) Michael Daley:

> No, I think I mean, so just being able to share those links because we all using Apple, you know Being able to share all those links via iMessage just makes it that much easier to connect and to collaborate whatever document We may be working on so whether it be pages, you know doing quotations or doing other, you know literature You know big letters etc or you know numbers we were doing complicated spreadsheets and Being able to all put our inputs in there and be able to see who does what and then you’ve got the quick activity

(1h 9m 18s)

> fields as well we can see

(1h 9m 19s)

> the history etc. I just find it really really great to be able to do that and I think it just shows where this is all going and what it’s actually capable of. It’s just fantastic.

(1h 9m 31s) Tim Chaten:

> – Yeah.

Freeform

(1h 9m 32s) Tim Chaten:

> Have you guys found a use of Freeform yet?

(1h 9m 34s)

> This big whiteboarding application for, I don’t know,

(1h 9m 37s)

> during a meeting or something.

(1h 9m 37s) Matthew Daley:

> We’ve talked about it a lot, actually.

(1h 9m 40s)

> Yeah, we’ve talked about it a lot.

(1h 9m 42s)

> We definitely can use it,

(1h 9m 44s)

> and I think we’re gonna bring it on,

(1h 9m 46s)

> particularly when we are brainstorming and fleshing out ideas for, let’s say,

(1h 9m 53s)

> front of store advertising displays,

(1h 9m 57s)

> or, you know, fleshing out ideas for new accounts or new leads and things that we wanna start taking more seriously and looking at.

(1h 10m 7s)

> The fact that we can all work off of the same canvas at the same time and and you know you can divide work up but in the moment and people can you know everyone can work on the same thing and you can sort of see stuff happening and and the way that you can add photos and videos as well and different media to this unlimited canvas. Exactly, exactly and the markup feature obviously I mean, that’s the whole crux of the–

(1h 10m 26s) Tim Chaten:

> Right, you could put screenshots of different websites that you could mark up.

(1h 10m 37s) Matthew Daley:

> thing. But yeah, that’s actually really nice. And we were talking about it the other day,

(1h 10m 42s)

> and I actually think we’re going to start using it. So that’s a good one. But in terms of the evolution of apps, it’s been great to see the direction that these– the way– some apps are pretty good at taking advantage of the new features coming out. And the new operating system,

(1h 11m 5s)

> the main features that kept…

(1h 11m 7s)

> come out for iPad OS 16 and what have you, but some apps, you know, you still can’t,

(1h 11m 12s)

> you still can’t do much with them. Like, we use an app called LiveChat for interacting with customers on our website. It’s a great app and it works very, very well on iPhone and iPad. The only thing that they’re missing there, and it’s quite a big thing, is the ability to… they’re still not split-screen compatible, so if you…

(1h 11m 37s)

> Yeah, I know, I know, right? So, now, with this great big canvas that you have with Stage Manager, you can only resize that window so much because it’s… that’s right. Yeah, yeah,

(1h 11m 46s) Tim Chaten:

> Like the settings app, yeah, yeah.

(1h 11m 47s)

> But yeah, that’s the resizing thing you get. You get this fake half view of it that rescales it.

(1h 11m 49s) Matthew Daley:

> yeah. Oh, no, don’t even go there, but… yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So, I mean, PDF Expert,

(1h 11m 51s) Michael Daley:

[laughs]

PDF Expert

(1h 12m 4s) Matthew Daley:

> We use PDFX but a lot for editing.

(1h 12m 7s)

> brochures and yeah goodness I mean okay I mean architectural drawings and things I mean we’ve just moved into a new place and you know when you when you looking at blueprints and things that the measure tools are fantastic and very accurate and of course you know just signing documents and things we use PDF expert a lot and they’re they’re widgets and the the speed at which the apps are

(1h 12m 37s)

> they’ve come that they’ve they’ve come a long way and they’ve actually been always been a very good app from the get-go but they she’s now they’re in another league I mean they really are they stand out those guys you know PDF expert and spark that’s the other one have you tried have you tried the AI features and in spark yet so we’ve been dabbling in a bit of that and because now you can you can you can use the AI

(1h 12m 42s) Tim Chaten:

> Yeah, those are great devs. They do awesome.

(1h 12m 52s)

> – Yeah, I have not, no.

(1h 12m 57s)

> Writing emails on your behalf kind of thing?

Spark

(1h 13m 6s) Tim Chaten:

> What’s it?

(1h 13m 7s) Matthew Daley:

> yeah well but particularly to give you different ideas for how to word something so you know quite you know it’s often quite challenging to to present a customer you know with news that might not be always favorable or what have you well it’s quite interesting to hear how you would word this a different way in like a more formal way for instance so or like word it in like a very happy sort of tone, you know.

(1h 13m 37s)

> Sometimes when you’ve been staring at a layout, day in and day out,

(1h 13m 40s)

> it’s, you know, you get a bit of sort of writer’s block, if you like.

(1h 13m 45s)

> And it’s quite nice with the AI tools, you can, yeah, you can actually know how to change that on the fly.

(1h 13m 52s)

> Yeah, exactly.

(1h 13m 55s)

> So that’s, you know, we quite like that.

(1h 13m 57s)

> I actually, we had a, in our complex, we had a letter sent to us by a lawyer.

(1h 14m 7s)

> And we wanted to respond back in a very, very formal way, so we just got the AI to do it.

(1h 14m 12s)

> And just, you know, just said, you know, we just said take, you know,

(1h 14m 16s)

> respond back to this in a very formal manner. And he drafted something out.

(1h 14m 18s) Tim Chaten:

> Yeah.

(1h 14m 20s) Matthew Daley:

> It looked like we had studied law for 10 years and that was done in like 30 seconds and we could send it out.

(1h 14m 21s) Tim Chaten:

[chuckles]

(1h 14m 25s) Matthew Daley:

> But yeah, Spark, Spark’s a great app for those, those interested in a powerful email app. Yeah.

(1h 14m 32s) Tim Chaten:

> – Yeah.

(1h 14m 32s) Matthew Daley:

> What are you using these days on the email front?

(1h 14m 32s) Tim Chaten:

> I’m back to Apple Mail.

(1h 14m 36s)

> I had been using Spark and then, I don’t know,

(1h 14m 40s)

> I just, let me give this a shot with iOS 17 and yeah,

(1h 14m 43s)

> I’m enjoying just the built-in Apple.

(1h 14m 46s) Michael Daley:

> I think Spark makes a lot of sense for us because we collaborate a lot with one another. We always,

(1h 14m 52s)

> you know, we get involved in each other’s communications a lot as well with customers,

(1h 14m 56s)

> etc, and being able to then, you know, chat to your teammates on Spark, you know, directly without having to have links, etc, in a separate messaging app, etc. I find that very useful.

(1h 15m 3s) Tim Chaten:

> Yes. Yeah, the spark within business makes total sense to me and the collaboration.

(1h 15m 6s) Matthew Daley:

> It’s a powerful feature.

(1h 15m 8s)

> Yeah, it’s a good point.

(1h 15m 9s)

> Because you can have in Spark for Business,

(1h 15m 16s)

> the collaboration features and that, you can have…

(1h 15m 20s)

> First of all, you can see when all your colleagues are reading a mail and typing at the same time.

(1h 15m 24s)

> Let’s say you get a mail from a customer,

(1h 15m 27s)

> everyone can comment in a very iMessage-like fashion underneath that mail, so you don’t have a mail thread that’s 30 emails.

(1h 15m 36s)

> long it’s just concise and short with little responses from the team and then you can and then you’ve got your final mail that you can construct but you can also construct mails live together which is a feature that we use so let’s say somebody in the business wants to send a mail out but they want you to look at it and review it you can collaborate it or collaborate on it together and edit it live and then they just send it out on their side and that’s that’s that’s quite a powerful powerful feature

(1h 16m) Tim Chaten:

> That’s super cool. Yeah.

(1h 16m 2s) Michael Daley:

> But also having I find like the the shared mailboxes are so very handy. I mean, for example,

(1h 16m 6s) Matthew Daley:

> Mmm.

(1h 16m 8s) Michael Daley:

> if a colleague is on leave or something, and now you need access to their mailbox,

(1h 16m 12s)

> instead of them giving you all their login details, etc, you can then jump on to Spark because they’re part of the team, you can then log on to their that mail and use it that way as well. And then it’s as if you are that person replying. So it’s fantastic.

(1h 16m 25s) Tim Chaten:

> – That’s really cool.

(1h 16m 26s) Matthew Daley:

> and a signing and a signing mail

(1h 16m 26s) Tim Chaten:

> And imagine if people go on vacation,

(1h 16m 28s)

> that makes that process so much better.

(1h 16m 30s)

> You don’t have to like,

(1h 16m 31s)

> so you don’t have to send like an out of office.

(1h 16m 33s)

> Maybe you could have someone cover your desk and not.

(1h 16m 38s) Michael Daley:

> 100%. And I mean, in South Africa, we have an issue with load shedding with which is basically power cuts that happen fairly frequently. And so, you know, sometimes office will be without internet connection or etc. And therefore they aren’t unable to get to their mails, then they can simply phone us and be then able to respond if it’s an important mail able to then do it on their behalf, etc. So, yeah, it works

(1h 16m 39s) Matthew Daley:

> S- yeah.

(1h 17m) Tim Chaten:

> – Yeah, that’s really cool.

Brochures

(1h 17m 2s) Tim Chaten:

> For brochures, is that something you guys do in pages or have you guys switched over to Affinity Designer,

(1h 17m 10s)

> which is, or Publisher, sorry.

(1h 17m 13s)

> Their new app for that kind of stuff.

(1h 17m 17s) Matthew Daley:

> Mike, do you want to answer this one?

(1h 17m 18s) Michael Daley:

> Um, yeah, sure. Basically, we don’t really design brochures from the ground up. Because we have suppliers in the USA and in the UK, that are, they’re not our parent companies, independent entity, but they are the brands that we represent here. And so most

(1h 17m 23s) Tim Chaten:

> OK.

(1h 17m 23s)

> Mm-hmm.

(1h 17m 35s)

> So you’ll use their brochures and maybe add on top of it your branding to it from that baseline?

(1h 17m 41s)

> Yeah.

(1h 17m 43s) Michael Daley:

> 100% exactly. And then we also edit out, you know, product lines that we won’t supply or in South Africa that don’t fit our markets, we can then also edit those out, etc. And then do it that way. Yeah, and then for that, to be honest, PDF experts has been working extremely well for us, you know, for that, that sort of stuff. It’s fairly basic editing. I mean, it’s not extremely complicated. And so yeah, but yeah, I find PDFX, PDFX, but yeah, it was wonderful.

(1h 17m 43s) Tim Chaten:

> Mm-hmm.

(1h 17m 48s)

> Yeah.

(1h 18m 1s)

> – Right.

(1h 18m 2s)

> – Yeah.

(1h 18m 7s)

> – Yeah, it’s a great tool and yeah, with PDFs, you’re able.

(1h 18m 12s) Matthew Daley:

> But you you do need. Yeah, sorry, you do need the pro version, which gives you a lot of there are some nice features there like being able to compress a file or there are a couple other nice features I can’t remember off the top of my head that we use often that I would recommend if you’re looking at PDF X, but do look at the pro version, it’s worth it’s worth every worth

(1h 18m 37s) Tim Chaten:

> – Yeah, for sure, yeah.

(1h 18m 39s)

> And yeah, that’s nice to in PDFs, you can really,

(1h 18m 42s)

> as long as they’re not flattened or whatever,

(1h 18m 44s)

> you can kind of like make it your own for that kind of stuff, yeah.

Monday.com

(1h 18m 49s) Tim Chaten:

> Any other work-related stuff we haven’t covered yet

(1h 18m 57s) Michael Daley:

> – I think monday.com, that’s the one app that we haven’t really touched on that we do use a fair amount in our business.

(1h 19m 4s)

> And that is the leaps that that has taken in the last few years.

(1h 19m 10s)

> I mean, they’ve really put a lot of work into getting that app working great with the different updates that we’ve had across iOS.

(1h 19m 18s)

> And yeah, I find that app to be extremely useful and we’ve definitely adopted it across our business and use it widely now for,

(1h 19m 27s)

> Must be three years or so, Emad.

(1h 19m 28s) Matthew Daley:

> I think it’s longer than that. I think it’s got to be like five. We adopted monday.com when it was actually originally called the Pulse. And for those for those of your listeners who are not sure what monday.com is, it’s like Asana or kind of similar to like Trello.

(1h 19m 44s)

> So for an organization, if you’ve got tasks or like a project and you’ve got other people who are assigned to different aspects of that project, this is a great way to project like manage and

(1h 19m 58s)

> different things that are all connected to maybe a single point. And monday.com,

(1h 20m 6s)

> it’s an Electron app, but they have gone, I mean, you just can’t believe the development. I mean,

(1h 20m 13s)

> what you can do now on the iPad on that app, it’s really impressive and it works so seamlessly.

(1h 20m 20s)

> So that’s an app that we use. It’s just integral to our business. It’s built into all of our

(1h 20m 29s)

> departments in our business. And that means that live, we can check straight away what’s happening like in our warehouse, you know, from a logistic point of view. So we can go into that app anywhere in the world and we can just see immediately live what’s happening, what you know. So what’s going on? Are they, you know, are the goods being sent out? If so, what is the goods that are being sent out? And you can track it through the process. So you can see, okay, this product is being pulled customer off of the shelves and I can see that the

(1h 20m 58s)

> next step that has to happen is this person’s got to check it and then it’s good because to the next step and you can see these things happening in a very colorful sort of way as well it’s very it’s very pleasant on the eyes it’s not like a boring app to look at it’s you know it’s it’s it’s a very easy act to to read it’s it’s a nice one and it’s seamless with your with your iPhone so So Monday.com, that’s a super app that.

(1h 21m 28s) Tim Chaten:

> That’s really cool, I’m not at some point.

(1h 21m 28s) Matthew Daley:

> That works very, very well on the iPad.

(1h 21m 30s)

> Yeah, that’s that’s that’s a that’s a really good one.

(1h 21m 36s)

> I believe they’re doing really well.

(1h 21m 37s)

> So that Monday.com, yeah, that’s that’s a good one.

Yoink

(1h 21m 42s) Matthew Daley:

> And another one that we use all the time, that’s another little hidden gem is Yoink.

(1h 21m 47s)

> And you don’t hear much about Yoink being mentioned still, but Yoink cheap is as a way to just drag as a shelf app, just to drag apps and to.

(1h 21m 58s)

> Be able to drag sort of information rather into one central place and just drag it out of there is sort of like a little holding zone.

(1h 22m 4s) Tim Chaten:

> Yeah.

(1h 22m 4s) Matthew Daley:

> I used to I used to in files have a folder called drop zone with a little helicopter emoji and you just drag information drop it there.

(1h 22m 13s)

> And then, you know, you don’t mind what’s sitting in that that can be spread.

(1h 22m 17s)

> It can be all disorganized.

(1h 22m 19s)

> It doesn’t matter because it’s just a little central drop space.

(1h 22m 21s)

> Yoink just handles that in such a nice way.

(1h 22m 26s)

> And so Yoink is a little as an app to drain.

(1h 22m 28s)

> You can drag information files, videos, photos, anything into as a little holding area as opposed to dropping it onto your desktop because obviously you don’t on an iPad OS you know you can’t drop stuff onto the springboard essentially.

(1h 22m 36s) Tim Chaten:

> Yeah Don’t have that Yeah, imagine during the website work, that would be a really handy app

(1h 22m 43s) Matthew Daley:

> Yoink is just very handy and for people listening one of the beauties with Yoink is that you can drag things and drop them into and create stacks of files.

(1h 22m 58s)

> And you have a whole stack and you can move that stack and drop that stack let’s say as attachments into a mail with one drag and drop or into files with one drag and drop.

(1h 23m 11s)

> And so that’s quite a nice app to have for sure if you’re taking the iPad seriously definitely.

(1h 23m 20s) Tim Chaten:

> – Yeah.

(1h 23m 20s) Matthew Daley:

> Oh geez yeah.

(1h 23m 20s) Tim Chaten:

> Mmm.

(1h 23m 21s) Michael Daley:

> I would say, I think Shortcuts is also an app that, you know, we take advantage of a lot of.

(1h 23m 27s)

> And, you know, the leaps and bounds of apps that come is also incredible. And the compatibility it has now with other apps as well, you know, they just, the list is just growing and growing. And,

(1h 23m 38s)

> you know, I find that app to be extremely useful, especially from the widgets as well on our home screen, just to have those shortcuts located there. And with new widget features coming with Iris 17. I think that’s just going to be very interesting.

(1h 23m 51s)

> as well what we can do with that.

Shortcuts

(1h 23m 54s) Tim Chaten:

> Do you have a favorite shortcut that you just, every time you run it, you’re like,

(1h 23m 58s)

> “Oh, this is great.”

(1h 24m) Michael Daley:

> Well, there is actually one, I mean, we actually, it’s for our quote generator, basically.

(1h 24m 7s)

> So when we’re doing quotes for customers, it’s just one that then links directly into numbers that then it’s a shared spreadsheet that then we can then see exactly, you know,

(1h 24m 18s)

> what products are available and what the base of the stock is on that product, as well as all the pricing related to that product that we can use.

(1h 24m 25s)

> So it’s a very short, simple shortcut, but it’s a shortcut that I just…

(1h 24m 30s)

> find works extremely well.

(1h 24m 32s)

> And then we used it for the website.

(1h 24m 34s)

> We used one that was just a resizing image, basically a shortcut, and that was just, you know, just resizing it to an icon image and that just worked fantastically.

(1h 24m 43s)

> Just one button, select your, select the image and you sorted.

(1h 24m 47s)

> And yeah, that was just really good.

(1h 24m 48s)

> And it’s just those little things that really just do eat up time, you know, in your day.

(1h 24m 53s)

> And so it’s, it’s fantastic to have these apps.

(1h 24m 57s) Matthew Daley:

> We’ve just moved into a new place and so we’ve set the whole place up with home automation.

(1h 25m 5s)

> And so one of the shortcuts that I use to get going in the morning is I’ll just raise the dock and I’ve got all my home automation shortcuts in my dock in a folder.

(1h 25m 16s)

> And so I’ll hit the one shortcut that says set office up for work.

(1h 25m 21s)

> And I hit that shortcut as I’m setting up my desk or getting ready.

(1h 25m 27s)

> And it’ll lower the blind down to the correct height.

(1h 25m 30s)

> It dims the light to the correct light setting.

(1h 25m 34s)

> And then it switches off any other lights that may interfere or speakers or what have you.

(1h 25m 41s)

> And so it gets everything done in just one hit and stuff like that.

(1h 25m 46s)

> Or also with stage manager, I don’t know if you’ve found, but sometimes the audio,

(1h 25m 51s)

> there can be a little bit of a delay or a bit of a bug.

(1h 25m 57s)

> switching between the external monitor and the iPad.

(1h 26m)

> And sometimes the audio can get confused.

(1h 26m 2s)

> So I’m still using a shortcut to connect the audio to my AirPod Pros.

(1h 26m 7s)

> And so if ever there’s an issue, I have the shortcut both on my on my external monitor.

(1h 26m 13s)

> So it’s obviously in the same dock.

(1h 26m 15s)

> But if I click it on the external monitor, it’ll bring the audio from the external monitor to my AirPod Pros.

(1h 26m 19s)

> And if I click it on the iPad, it’ll bring it from the iPad to my AirPod Pros.

(1h 26m 23s)

> a very quick way to just bring just

(1h 26m 27s)

> bring the audio to your AirPods. But yeah, as Michael said, price lists, shortcuts for price lists as well, or for data sheets or shortcuts to jump into meetings. Those are all really, really handy. Yeah, shortcuts, we use shortcuts a lot. Yeah.

Focus Modes and Non-Work Use

(1h 26m 49s) Tim Chaten:

> – Excellent, yeah.

(1h 26m 50s)

> And then moving on towards, you know,

(1h 26m 53s)

> when you’re not working,

(1h 26m 55s)

> iPad is a leisure device.

(1h 26m 56s)

> Do you use focus nodes at all to like,

(1h 26m 59s)

> try to hide your work stuff so you’re not distracted and working 24 hours a day?

(1h 27m 8s) Matthew Daley:

> – Yeah, I’m sure Mike can expand also on this,

(1h 27m 11s)

> but I’ve got a nice one.

(1h 27m 12s)

> So as I mentioned earlier,

(1h 27m 13s)

> I enjoy doing a bit of droning.

(1h 27m 16s)

> And so when I finish work,

(1h 27m 19s)

> I’ll go out and take the drone.

(1h 27m 22s)

> And I’ve got a shortcut on there where in one tap,

(1h 27m 25s)

> it changes the focus mode to a focus mode that I’ve named droning,

(1h 27m 29s)

> which basically puts switches on do not disturb

(1h 27m 35s)

> only to let in calls and messages from certain people.

(1h 27m 38s)

> So that I don’t get messages popping up on my iPad Mini,

(1h 27m 42s)

> because I use my iPad Mini as my drone display.

(1h 27m 45s)

> So I don’t get any messages appearing there.

(1h 27m 49s)

> And then what it does is it also, it dims, it increases the brightness of the display.

(1h 27m 54s)

> So that’s better for the drone.

(1h 27m 57s)

> And it launches the DJI app immediately as well.

(1h 28m 2s)

> So it does all of that in a single tap.

(1h 28m 4s)

> And that sort of, that sinks in with the photo.

(1h 28m 8s)

> But also, I mean, I’ve got my focus mode set up so that as work finishes, it automatically,

(1h 28m 17s)

> it’s now jumping into like a family time focus mode.

(1h 28m 22s)

> And that’s great because it really does make a difference between getting unknown callers or callers that you don’t want to come through who are taking advantage of you or perhaps just yeah just just unwanted stay

(1h 28m 38s)

> with time that you’d rather be spending you know with your kids or what have you as the focus modes definitely make a difference for us on the on that time best schedule. Yeah. So we do a bit of we do we’d like to do like a little morning workout during the week.

(1h 28m 45s) Tim Chaten:

> And you have that set up through just a time-based schedule.

(1h 28m 48s)

> Yep.

(1h 28m 51s)

> Mm-hmm.

(1h 28m 56s) Matthew Daley:

> So the focus mode will come on automatically there. And I actually what I want to do now is I want to tie the focus mode for the for the workout into my huge bridge.

(1h 29m 8s)

> That because I’ve got a I’ve got a focus mode at the moment I’ve got I’ve got a rather shortcut at the moment which runs automatically that at a certain time in the morning.

(1h 29m 16s)

> The heat has come on and then and the kitchen lights come on as well at a certain time and that’s the time that I usually walk through to make a cup of coffee.

(1h 29m 26s)

> And so like so I actually need to tie that in with the focus mode as well because that could that could actually work quite quite well you you’ve given me that idea now.

(1h 29m 36s)

> But Mike, on the focus pad side of things.

(1h 29m 39s) Michael Daley:

> Yeah, I mean I use it a little less complicated than that. I mean I’m simply yeah when it’s when it’s works over Switch over to different focus mode and then yeah, I I try to just take my eyes off the iPad after you know A full day of working from the iPad. Sometimes I just want to take all the rest So I actually just turn the turn the iPad off and just you know, go for a walk outside I just get some fresh air etc. And then yeah, then often I find myself on YouTube on my iPad just sitting on the couch is going through your shorts or watching videos on YouTube and and

(1h 29m 54s) Tim Chaten:

> Yes.

(1h 30m 9s) Michael Daley:

> You know, then obviously, you know planning holidays and you know simple tasks like that as well and having those focus mode Just click on a button and you don’t get disturbed or get inundated with anything else That’s happened throughout the day work wise or what have you you just now you can well focus. So yeah, it’s great

(1h 30m 26s) Tim Chaten:

> Right. Yeah. So, looking towards the future, how do you guys hope this hardware evolves?

Future iPad Generations?

(1h 30m 36s) Tim Chaten:

> Do you think we’ll have another 2018 moment of a major redesign like we had back then? And,

(1h 30m 42s)

> you know, what kind of things do you hope going forward? I know the Mac’s getting this awesome Apple Vision Pro integration. Do you think the iPad will eventually get some of that?

(1h 30m 54s) Matthew Daley:

> Yeah, so in terms of hardware and stuff that I think both of us are wanting, and I’m sure Mike you can expand on this, but I think just more RAM, because it just makes such a difference.

(1h 31m 9s)

> So it’s a big bump up in chip performance, that would be great, but screen size, you know, I don’t know if I want a bigger, I don’t know if I’m so, what’s the word, sort of,

(1h 31m 21s)

> I don’t know if I’m craving for a larger display.

(1h 31m 24s)

> Again, but the thing is it would it would be nice but I mean having a having a bigger display is always nice but If I could have the same features in the in the in the 12.9 inch iPad Pro in a slightly smaller iPad And I’m not losing anything in the way of like for instance screen technology or what have you then?

(1h 31m 45s)

> tell you I might actually I might think about that because

(1h 31m 50s)

> Yeah, it’s it’s certainly nice to have the portability and if I

(1h 31m 54s)

> can still plug it in and have the same performance on my external display that that would that would be neat so so I think him yeah the the camera they’ve got to be moving the camera to the center of the iPad I mean I know they’ve done it on the base model so that’s that that’s certainly coming screen technology we know that they’re moving towards OLED for for the darker blacks and things I hope it’s as good as the mini LED display because I mean there’s

(1h 32m 7s) Tim Chaten:

> Yes.

(1h 32m 24s) Matthew Daley:

> nothing that’s as good as this and wow yeah so I hope they do that bigger battery we’ve got to get a big battery now hit him I think at the time is

(1h 32m 33s) Tim Chaten:

> Yeah, the 2010 iPad had the best battery life and it’s just going steadily down from there.

(1h 32m 40s) Matthew Daley:

> And I must say I’m over like hearing like the macbook guys tend to you know posting about their battery life which is so impressive and it’s you know, that’s awesome, but I want a bit of that now

(1h 32m 50s) Tim Chaten:

> Yeah, the 2010 iPad, they advertised 10 hours,

(1h 32m 55s)

> but it felt more like 15 to 20 most of the time.

(1h 32m 59s)

> And that’s just been trying to hit 10 every day.

(1h 33m) Matthew Daley:

> Yeah, that’s true actually. Yeah. Yeah, that is true Yeah, yeah exactly So, yeah, so but look large iPad, you know, that’s probably the de facto we’ll probably land up doing that but uh,

(1h 33m 16s)

> But it does external display Functionality is certainly getting me to rethink the the display size of my primary iPad. That’s for sure And your site Mike

(1h 33m 29s) Michael Daley:

> Yeah, I mean the future of the hardware with the iPads obviously, you know, it’s tricky to say exactly where they go I mean look how far they’ve come I mean, it’s just incredible what we can do with those iPads now and you know being able to transition from having to use You know Windows based PCs and Mac computers, etc Now to primarily only working from your iPad to do everything with not having to rely on a single other You know device for that is just fantastic and going forward like you’re saying Tim

(1h 33m 59s)

> The vision Pro I can see that incorporating to the Apple ecosystem I mean into the sorry the iPad and I iPad OS ecosystem and I can see that working definitely in the future You know something that I thought would have been incorporated a little bit more would have been You know, I think it’s the LIDAR technology that the iPads have And you know, I think that could then obviously be incorporated with them, you know your vision vision pros

(1h 34m 29s)

> As well, and I think yeah, I think that that technology I can’t see why it wouldn’t work on my pads and why I wouldn’t Couldn’t be incorporated with this ecosystem

(1h 34m 39s) Matthew Daley:

> It would surprise me if we don’t see more functionality or parity between the iPad Pro and like Apple Vision Pro, because the two are so similar, really, when you actually think about the way they use the way the apps work, display, it just seems like it would be a very easy sort of fit for there to be more parity

(1h 35m 7s) Tim Chaten:

> – Yeah, I do hope the two OS’s push the others forward in big ways that Vision Pro will make iPad Pro that much more powerful and vice versa.

(1h 35m 9s) Matthew Daley:

> with the two systems. Yeah. Agreed.

(1h 35m 17s) Tim Chaten:

> Do you see yourselves when it eventually launches in South Africa getting one as a compliment to iPad work?

(1h 35m 26s)

> You know, for me, it feels like this is gonna be the desktop computing of iPad OS where you’re able to spread out.

Apple Vision Pro

(1h 35m 35s) Matthew Daley:

> You know, when they debuted Apple Vision Pro, that really for, I mean, for Mike and I,

(1h 35m 40s)

> it was one of those defining sort of iPhone launch moments, you know, where we just thought, wow,

(1h 35m 48s)

> this is the future. This is where it’s going. You know, I think we got the vision of what they were actually talking about. And I think that, yeah, I think it would surprise me.

(1h 36m 5s)

> It would surprise me if we don’t see other models of the Apple Vision Pro come out,

(1h 36m 16s)

> ones that are more affordable, because that price point is very steep. But ultimately,

(1h 36m 23s)

> I mean, I don’t think we’re there yet. But ultimately, I could see this replacing my iPad because it’s the kind of operating system that is very

(1h 36m 35s)

> similar to the iPad in the way it works. It’s the same kind of operating system that lured me into the iPad that is so different to a traditional operating system, like your Mac or your PC type type system. I could I could totally see myself moving to this. But the problem is I just don’t know. I just don’t know if we there yet. I want us to be there.

(1h 36m 58s) Tim Chaten:

> Yeah, in some situations you’ll want the collaborative nature of iPad if you’re showing a client something you’ll want that just slab of glass you can

(1h 37m 6s) Matthew Daley:

> Exactly exactly, but that price point is steep. I think we worked

(1h 37m 10s) Tim Chaten:

> But yeah, iOS, I was speaking with Ken Case,

(1h 37m 13s)

> iOS spurred off the iPhone,

(1h 37m 16s)

> you could argue the Apple Watch and iPad,

(1h 37m 18s)

> and that one OS kind of grew from it to other OSs and to form factors.

(1h 37m 25s) Matthew Daley:

> That’s a good point

(1h 37m 26s) Tim Chaten:

> So I’ll be curious to see what a Vision OS,

(1h 37m 28s)

> what different form factors it eventually has off shooting from it.

(1h 37m 33s)

> In the Mac, the Mac as well had different form factors.

(1h 37m 34s) Matthew Daley:

> That’s a very good point. That’s a very good point. I could, yeah.

(1h 37m 38s)

> That’s true, yeah.

(1h 37m 38s) Tim Chaten:

> you have the laptops and…

(1h 37m 40s)

> desktops and all-in-ones, iMac, you know.

(1h 37m 43s)

> So all these OSes kind of like, you know,

(1h 37m 44s) Matthew Daley:

> Yeah, exactly, exactly. I think it’s just, I think really the price point is going to be,

(1h 37m 45s) Tim Chaten:

> diverge into different…

(1h 37m 54s) Matthew Daley:

> is going to be a big determiner of the adoption rate and how quickly they’re able to move.

(1h 38m)

> Because the more people that are using it, the more input and the more development.

(1h 38m 4s)

> And the more interest you’re going to have from developers, because the more people using it,

(1h 38m 8s)

> the more reason they have to make and develop the apps. But I think at the moment, I don’t know,

(1h 38m 8s) Tim Chaten:

> Right. Absolutely.

(1h 38m 15s) Matthew Daley:

> I just don’t know if, I think it is steep. I think it is very heavy at the moment. But on a positive note, that’s where I want to go. I mean, to be honest, it looks like such a nice space to work.

(1h 38m 21s) Tim Chaten:

> It is it is yeah, it’s it’s it’s expensive technology

(1h 38m 22s) Michael Daley:

> But it’s yeah…

(1h 38m 32s)

> But aside from the price, I mean, there’s also other aspects. I mean, we are in a third-world country. That’s what South Africa is. So, the rate at which, you know, our population adopts,

(1h 38m 43s)

> you know, new technology is a lot slower than that to a third-world country as well.

(1h 38m 48s)

> So, for us to adopt, you know, the VisionOne Pros here for our business, yes, it would work great,

(1h 38m 55s)

> but I don’t see a lot of other people adopting it immediately, you know, within our country. And so,

(1h 39m)

> So therefore I’m not too sure how.

(1h 39m 2s)

> Well, it would work especially from a collaborative point of view with meetings etc with other people and and and you know Doing the work that we currently do And I’m not too sure if I’d want to jump into a gen 1 product immediately Especially one as unique as that and as advanced as it is I think I’d rather want to wait for gen 2 or gen 3 and then see where it goes from there and what the adoption rate is and and yeah, what the other developers do with the product ultimately is what’s going to tell where it goes and

(1h 39m 15s) Tim Chaten:

> – Yep.

(1h 39m 15s)

> Mm-hmm.

(1h 39m 30s)

> Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Lastly, as far as iPadOS, how do you hope the operating system and perhaps any new apps that are still not out yet that you’d like to see developed come out for iPad to help

(1h 39m 32s) Michael Daley:

> and how how one

How do you hope iPadOS improves and any new apps you want to see?

(1h 39m 56s) Michael Daley:

> From a work front, to be honest, I’m quite happy with where we are with what apps are currently available.

(1h 40m 1s)

> When it comes to the operating system, I’d like to see a little bit more shortcut compatibility,

(1h 40m 6s)

> for example, with stage manager.

(1h 40m 8s)

> I’d love to be able to have a shortcut that would then allow me to have a certain stage open and then I click another shortcut and it opens another stage, etc.

(1h 40m 16s)

> I think that would be fantastic.

(1h 40m 18s)

> But also, I don’t know, I would love to see more tier one games coming to an iPad.

(1h 40m 26s)

> I’m more on the leisure side.

(1h 40m 28s)

> I would love to see some more development on that side and just be able to expand on that.

(1h 40m 35s)

> I enjoy the multiplayer games, etc. that I have on PlayStation 5, for example, like Apex Legends or Call of Duty, etc.

(1h 40m 43s)

> That’s what I enjoy playing.

(1h 40m 45s)

> And I’d like to see some other variants come to the iPad that are also tier one and that are also cross-platform compatible, etc.

(1h 40m 52s) Tim Chaten:

> Yeah, I’m Surprised we didn’t get Resident Evil Village and No Man’s Sky, which I thought with the Mac push. They’d be here as well Yeah Yeah, I use remote play quite heavily with the backbone on my iPhone I’m looking forward to that PlayStation portal thing that seems like a nice step up But yeah remote play technology just you know if you have good internet it baffles me how well that works

(1h 40m 56s) Michael Daley:

> Yes, 100%.

(1h 41m) Matthew Daley:

> Yeah, No Man’s Sky. Yeah. Yeah. Mike’s quite a big gamer. And

(1h 41m 13s) Michael Daley:

> Yes, yeah indeed Exactly yeah, fantastic and I mean yeah those would be great for you know your your non multiplayer games as opposed to the latency etc So if you playing something like more of a role-playing game, and that’s fantastic, but I think from the multi-player standpoint I think you want an on-device app and not exactly, so

(1h 41m 35s) Tim Chaten:

> I would love it on iPad, but yeah, it’s such a weird thing, like, Apple owns mobile gaming, but I just hate what it’s become.

(1h 41m 44s) Matthew Daley:

[laughing]

(1h 41m 44s) Tim Chaten:

> I want console gaming on mobile, yeah, that’s just not, yeah, it’s a different market, for now.

(1h 41m 44s) Michael Daley:

> Yes, exactly, yeah.

(1h 41m 46s) Matthew Daley:

> Oh

(1h 41m 53s) Michael Daley:

> Exactly, so we’ll see though, I mean with the new Gen iPads, who knows, and the new operating systems.

(1h 41m 58s) Tim Chaten:

> – Yeah, yeah, for sure.

(1h 41m 59s) Michael Daley:

> Yeah, I think things we’ll see what the future holds.

(1h 42m 3s) Tim Chaten:

> Any apps lacking for you?

(1h 42m 10s) Matthew Daley:

> From an app point of view, to be honest, I’m actually very content at the moment with where we are. It’s great to see that Logic and Final Cut are here because that shows that Apple’s taking the system really seriously. Now we just need Xcode and then we can start seeing guys develop

(1h 42m 40s)

> the iPad. And that’s going to do wonders for development and taking the iPad further in that regard. But to be honest, I am pretty happy. As Michael said, more stage manager functionality would be nice. I’d love to be able to right click and close a window, for instance, like anywhere on the window, as opposed to having to find the grab handle. Exactly.

(1h 43m 2s) Tim Chaten:

> Mmm. Yeah. The three dots.

(1h 43m 10s) Matthew Daley:

> Yeah, so I’d like that. I mean, stage manager is just so good. Now, that was one of the main reasons why we test drove the beta. And I mean, we just work full out on the beta now. I mean, that’s, you know, we don’t, we don’t go off of it. But yeah, I think I think Mike’s pretty much pretty much hit hit at all. There isn’t really much that I’m actually craving now. I just want to yeah, stage manager, lots of stage manager improvements, short-term.

(1h 43m 40s)

> at integration. Agreed.

iPadProductivity.com

(1h 43m 45s) Tim Chaten:

> – Excellent, yeah.

(1h 43m 45s)

> Well, where can people find…

(1h 43m 47s)

> Do you guys run a blog, ipadproductivity.com?

(1h 43m 51s)

> You guys do right up there.

(1h 43m 53s)

> Anything you want to promote as far as that website

(1h 43m 59s) Matthew Daley:

> – Yeah, thanks, Tim.

(1h 44m)

> So on the blog front,

(1h 44m 3s)

> yeah, we’ve got some cool things coming this year.

(1h 44m 5s)

> The blog’s gonna start getting really active.

(1h 44m 9s)

> We basically are supercharging the blog now.

(1h 44m 12s)

> And basically for those who don’t know,

(1h 44m 16s)

> the blog’s all about pro tips for iPad users or for students, parents,

(1h 44m 24s)

> but primarily targeted at business.

(1h 44m 27s)

> So it’s just a cool–

(1h 44m 29s)

> –blog to keep updated on.

(1h 44m 31s)

> And we only share the interesting stuff.

(1h 44m 35s)

> But it’s going to start picking up in a big way now.

(1h 44m 39s)

> And yeah, that’s over at ipadproductivity.com.

(1h 44m 42s)

> But otherwise, if you want to reach Mike or I,

(1h 44m 46s)

> just drop us a drop us a mail.

(1h 44m 47s)

> Just say, hi, Matt, hi, Mike, at support@ipadproductivity.com.

(1h 44m 52s) Tim Chaten:

> Very cool. Cool. Yeah, anything else?

(1h 44m 52s) Matthew Daley:

[inaudible]

(1h 44m 55s)

> Yeah.

(1h 44m 56s) Tim Chaten:

> Awesome. Well, thank you both for your time. This has been a great chat. I’ve been learning a lot and it’s been fun.

(1h 44m 59s) Matthew Daley:

> I think that’s about it. Yeah.

(1h 45m 8s) Michael Daley:

> Perfect. Thank you to me are great to be on the show and we are looking forward to hearing it when it goes live

(1h 45m 15s) Matthew Daley:

> – Yeah, thanks a lot, so it’s been wonderful.

Closing

(1h 45m 18s) Tim Chaten:

> Well, that has been discussion with Matthew and Michael. Make sure to check out iPadProductivity.com My thanks to them for their time recording, and thanks to you for your time and attention tuning in.

(1h 45m 29s)

> As a reminder, you can support this podcast over patreon.com/iPadPros or by subscribing in Apple Podcasts, which has a new yearly price of $35 a year.

(1h 45m 42s)

> With that, I’ll talk to everyone again real soon.

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