A new category of iPad apps now exist with the release of iPadOS 17. The developers of Halide created a new app called Orion that lets you use your iPad as a screen for your Nintendo Switch, PS5, and other gaming consoles. This is an especially fun app with some delightful UI created around this concept of the Orion Operating System.
The other huge release in this category is Camo Studio for iPad by Reincubate. This app brings a full Twitch and YouTube streaming solution to the iPad.
In this episode is an interview with Eden Liu from Reincubate about Camo Studio for iPad. We dive into all of the features in the app currently and touch on some of the things that may be coming in a future update.
This episode of iPad Pros is sponsored by Agenda, the award winning app that seamlessly integrates calendar events into your note taking. Learn more at www.agenda.com. Agenda 18 is now available as a free download for macOS, iPadOS, and iOS.
Links and Show Notes
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Chapter Markers:
- 00:00:00: Opening
- 00:02:28: Support the Podcast
- 00:03:13: Eden Liu
- 00:05:21: The origins of Camo
- 00:07:22: The iPad version
- 00:08:29: How do you use iPad?
- 00:12:19: Elevator Pitch for Camo Studio
- 00:13:17: What did iPadOS 17 add?
- 00:15:55: Multiple video sources?
- 00:19:33: Doing a video podcast from iPad?
- 00:21:47: Switcher Studio and Remote Guests
- 00:25:29: Multiple Audio Tracks?
- 00:30:22: Twitch and YouTube Streaming
- 00:33:25: Web Overlays
- 00:34:17: Stream Elements
- 00:38:36: Stream Panels
- 00:39:55: Sponsor – Agenda
- 00:43:04: Capture Cards
- 00:48:23: Save video locally
- 00:51:05: Using the iPhone with the iPad?
- 00:53:30: Other uses of Camo Studio
- 00:57:22: USB-C iPad Required?
- 00:59:50: Apple Pencil
- 01:01:52: Adding media to your stream
- 01:03:45: Camo Scenes
- 01:07:13: Keyboard Shortcuts
- 01:09:43: Streaming your iPad’s Screen
- 01:11:48: Camera Effects
- 01:14:48: Auto Framing
- 01:16:09: Remove
- 01:16:36: Spotlight and Lighting
- 01:19:35: The Mac Version
- 01:22:29: Free forever?
- 01:23:18: Where can people learn more?
- 01:28:32: Closing
Transcript of Interview
Eden Liu
(3m 14s) Tim Chaten:
> Welcome to the podcast Eden!
(3m 16s) Eden Liu:
> Thank you so much for inviting me. I am really excited to come on.
(3m 19s)
> I picked out a few of your recent past episodes, and it kind of made me realize sort of just how awesome of a tool that the iPad can be beyond the usual sort of extension of workflow type deals. And I feel like I have a lot I can learn from from you and your content.
(3m 39s) Tim Chaten:
> Oh, thank you. Yeah, it’s the iPad is a fascinating kind of world because like a lot of it’s it serves a different role for so many different people. And when you use it as your main computer, you kind of like figure out all the different pain points that I’m sure we’ll talk about today with some of the things that have been lifted with iPadOS 17. But you you kind of see how far can go and where it really does shine. So, um, can you first introduce kind of yourself and your role
(4m 10s) Eden Liu:
> Yeah, sure. So I am Eden. I run the customer success team. I’m also community building lead at Camo. And the role that I like to introduce myself as though is executive producer of live programming. I basically produce and host our live stream shows. So I think the title of EP sounds really cool. So that’s how I like to introduce myself. But I’m very involved with the product at Camo. I do a ton of testing. It really
(4m 40s)
> helps back my role as leader of the CS team. I need to know what all of the issues that our customers are running into, what the customers are saying, as well as for leading our video content, our YouTube channel, doing app-specific content, or doing our community-building live stream shows. I need to be able to know the app really well. So I am deep in the trenches with Camo. A lot of people have also said that as the way that I describe my job, I also serve as a a product manager.
(5m 10s)
> So hopefully that gives you a little bit of a look into what I do here at Camo.
The origins of Camo
(5m 21s) Tim Chaten:
> Awesome. Yeah. And Reuncubate themselves, or their selves, whatever you call a company,
(5m 26s)
> this product is a different kind of thing. You have iPhone and BlackBerry backup extractors.
(5m 32s)
> So if you lose your device, you can pull up that iTunes backup and try to retrieve something rather vital. And how old is, came up for the Mac and when did this enter your guys’ catalog of products?
(5m 37s) Eden Liu:
> Yeah
(5m 49s)
> – Yeah, so as you said,
(5m 51s)
> we’ve been making software since 2008,
(5m 53s)
> mostly our backup focused products.
(5m 56s)
> During the pandemic in 2020,
(5m 59s)
> when there was a huge webcam shortage,
(6m 2s)
> our team, which full disclosure,
(6m 3s)
> I was not there at the time I came on after Camo was already launched,
(6m 7s)
> but the team found sort of this like missing piece across the industry, everyone,
(6m 14s)
> not just the industry, across the world.
(6m 16s)
> Like everyone was looking for ways to stay connected
(6m 19s)
> with friends, families, and loved ones when it was all recommended that we isolate ourselves and stay in.
(6m 24s)
> And with the webcam shortage that arose during that time period,
(6m 28s)
> the team just came up with the idea of allowing people to use their iPhone cameras as a webcam, which you’re an Apple iPad guy,
(6m 40s)
> you know how much R&D goes into these cameras that we are able to put in our pockets.
(6m 48s)
> and chemo.
(6m 49s)
> was originally a Mac OS iOS product,
(6m 53s)
> but now we’ve also extended our Camo desktop app to Windows and Android phones.
(6m 59s)
> So there’s also like, you know,
(7m 1s)
> cross platform compatibility, et cetera.
(7m 4s)
> Basically you can use any smartphone to,
(7m 9s)
> any awesome smartphone camera to use as your video source.
(7m 13s)
> And that’s just, I think it’s so cool because it’s way better than the.
(7m 19s)
> quality that you’re going to get from traditional webcams.
The iPad version
(7m 22s) Tim Chaten:
> Absolutely, and it’s kind of interesting that being the beginning of Camo, and it seems to have evolved to where we’ll talk about today, Camo Studio for iPad, where it’s like a live-switching streaming production studio almost, yeah.
(7m 34s) Eden Liu:
> Yeah, yeah, the Camo Studio for iPad experience is definitely a little bit different from our desktop experience, which at some point we definitely want the experience to be just as awesome with all the features on Mac, Windows, and iPad, and who knows where we might grow from here on out.
(7m 58s)
> But yeah, so our Camo Studio for iPad is focused more on streaming.
(8m 5s)
> It is very streamer-focused, whereas our traditional, I call it our legacy app, but it’s really just our desktop app.
(8m 12s)
> It’s not that old to be called a legacy, I guess.
(8m 15s)
> It’s basically the ultimate facilitator of making great video easy and accessible to everyone.
(8m 21s)
> You know, you can connect any camera to your computer and make it better using Camo.
(8m 26s)
> It’s sort of like the TL;DR of it all.
(8m 28s) Tim Chaten:
> Excellent. And before we dive into Camo Studio on the iPad, I’m curious, what’s your current iPad setup and how do you use the iPad? What role does it kind of serve for you?
How do you use iPad?
(8m 40s) Eden Liu:
> Yeah, sure. So I would consider myself an iPad casual. Um, I mostly use it for convenience while traveling as like an extension of my workflow like it is a lifesaver to be able to access and edit docs or even do like video editing like CapCut is heavy on my iPad for editing short videos as well as like the Adobe versions of Like Photoshop Express. There’s Adobe rush
(9m 6s)
> For like quick editing of graphics and videos while driving
(9m 10s)
> traveling, that’s really sort of where I live.
(9m 13s) Tim Chaten:
> Mm-hmm.
(9m 13s) Eden Liu:
> And of course now I also use the iPad to do some game streaming in my free time.
(9m 13s) Tim Chaten:
> Mm-hmm.
(9m 17s) Eden Liu:
> But I was curious to see from you as you’re the iPad expert.
(9m 22s)
> I’d love to hear like what are like a few of your top iPad apps that you found to be really useful for you, whether that’s like for productivity or for like everyday life and just lifestyle.
(9m 32s) Tim Chaten:
> I mean, as a podcaster, Fairlight is my go-to app to edit and produce all the shows.
(9m 38s)
> And then alongside that, the developer the past couple of weeks released Transcriptionist to do on-device transcriptions of the podcast. Each person’s on their own separate transcript,
(9m 52s)
> and it kind of makes it all visually appealing to include that with the episode. So as a podcaster,
(9m 57s)
> So that’s kind of my main bread and butter for apps.
(10m 2s)
> When I want to get back to my college days of composing music,
(10m 6s)
> a Dorico on the iPad is just, it’s unbelievable.
(10m 10s)
> It’s like having Finale on the iPad.
(10m 14s)
> It’s that level of feature set.
(10m 17s)
> And I can hook up my MIDI keyboard and be writing music on the iPad,
(10m 21s)
> which is just something I’ve waited so long for.
(10m 28s) Eden Liu:
> – Yeah, that’s awesome.
(10m 29s)
> So you do all of the editing and recording from your iPad for your podcast?
(10m 35s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah, yeah I do. I use a Zoom H6 audio recorder so I feed my iPad’s audio into that on one track and my good microphone is on a separate track on the H6 and then I can just pop the SD card into my Thunderbolt dock and offload directly in the ferrite from there and I’m off and running.
(10m 58s) Eden Liu:
> That’s so cool because I I come so I got my start in content creation from podcasting And I was on just the I was not on the production end for a very long time but as as I like learned more about the back end and like production and It’s just how all of it works. Like I don’t know at some point a podcaster you you kind of figure, you know Maybe I don’t need a producer. I would like to know how to do some of this myself
(11m 23s) Tim Chaten:
> Right. Totally.
(11m 24s) Eden Liu:
> And I’m more a desktop person, but it’s I think that’s it’s really cool to hear that you are able to do everything that you need to do from just the iPad. Like that’s.
(11m 34s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah, and Ferry is, it’s custom built for podcasting, like the app was like two specifications of what a podcast would need. Strip silence, leveling the audio, chapter markers, everything you could possibly want for podcasting is in here. Templates for shows, all that good stuff, yeah.
(11m 34s) Eden Liu:
> Oh, cool, OK.
(11m 52s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah, for sure. And as we’ll talk about a little bit, I’m curious about video podcasting potential
(11m 53s) Eden Liu:
> Oh, that’s awesome. I’m definitely going to have to look into that.
(12m 4s) Tim Chaten:
> with Camo Studio and, you know, integrating these two apps in some way would be kind of interesting, you know, because you can feed video into Ferry and it’ll grab the audio from that. So yeah, a lot of possibilities here. So Camo Studio, can you give me kind of the elevator pitch for what this app is on iPad? I know we already talked a little bit about it, game streaming and stuff.
Elevator Pitch for Camo Studio
(12m 30s) Eden Liu:
> – Yeah, sure.
(12m 31s)
> So Camo Studio for iPad is a brand new Camo Studio experience featuring new streaming and recording capabilities with scene building tools,
(12m 42s)
> bringing in multiple video sources for picture in picture,
(12m 45s)
> which really make it easier for creators at all levels to create and stream content with tech that they already own and are familiar with on the go or at home.
(12m 55s)
> So I, for one, have been really excited about this because I travel a lot.
(13m)
> not just for work, but also because I work remotely,
(13m 2s)
> so I have that flexibility.
(13m 4s)
> And the idea that I could run my shows from just an iPad without having to bring my full computer kit is like so exciting to me.
(13m 12s) Tim Chaten:
> Awesome. So prior to the release of iPadOS 17, this just was not possible. I’ve long dreamed of a day where, "Oh, I want to be able to plug in HDMI sources into my iPad.
(13m 12s) Eden Liu:
> So I guess that is my little elevator pitch for Camo Studio on iPad.
What did iPadOS 17 add?
(13m 29s) Tim Chaten:
> I’d love to archive my VHS tapes onto my iPad using some kind of product." And all that changed with iPadOS 17. So what’s new in this release that makes that finally possible?
(13m 43s) Eden Liu:
> So, the biggest piece was that Apple made it possible to connect external webcams and other cameras or video sources via capture cards to iPads with iPadOS 17.
(13m 55s)
> So, with this ability, we thought, you know, why not explore a version of Camo Studio where the iPad gets to be sort of the star of the show.
(14m 3s)
> We’ve been really popular for live streamers and content creators in the last couple of years with our desktop app.
(14m 9s)
> As I mentioned earlier, it just really facilitates great video for…
(14m 13s)
> everyone and we’ve had a lot of requests from our customers and our friends to be able to, you know, run Camo Studio from the iPad and so with the iPad 117 News,
(14m 23s)
> it kind of felt like a next logical step for us, which I say that kind of hesitantly because now in hindsight it seems like a very logical step, but while we were going through it, there was a lot of… it was definitely a lot of chaos as as we sort of concepted a whole.
(14m 43s)
> new app experience different from what we are very familiar with.
(14m 46s)
> And then also just as more and more people become interested in doing video content and live streaming,
(14m 51s)
> we hope that there would be a lot of excitement for an app that could extend that barrier of entry beyond needing a full computer setup.
(14m 59s)
> Like you probably know better than anyone that the iPad, especially the iPad Pros these days, are just as strong,
(15m 5s)
> if not like even a stronger piece of tech compared to some classic desktop or laptop setups.
(15m 12s) Tim Chaten:
> For sure, yeah Yeah, and you know with external monitor support it feels like I’m you know You know running a kind of you know simplified Mac admin
(15m 13s) Eden Liu:
> been pretty interesting to get to be a part of.
(15m 24s)
> Yeah, it’s, it’s, for some reason, whenever I’m doing stuff from the iPad, it feels more like command station vibes as opposed to like, when I’m using like a laptop or a computer, it just feels like I’m at a computer. But there’s just something about the iPad experience that just gives you a whole different feel that I just think is, I don’t know, it’s very futuristic and forward thinking. And I think that that’s really cool to get to be a part of a team that is
(15m 52s)
> exploring these sort of solutions.
Multiple video sources?
(15m 55s) Tim Chaten:
> For sure and so it sounds so it sounds like The camo studio builds on this ability that Apple touted the keynotes You can now plug in external webcams to the iPad you know, if you have a studio display that webcam built into the display works and I Believe that also means It’s a single input. There’s no ability and I’ve had OS yet
(16m 19s)
> To offer as a developer multiple sources of video or camo
(16m 25s)
> Is that a single time is that accurate?
(16m 28s) Eden Liu:
> Well, if you use you if you plug in a USB hub into the iPad You are able to get more than one video source into camo or other Capture apps I guess is the other the way to call it So I use like a power to USB C hub as well as a Thunderbolt hub Sometimes if I have a lot of peripherals hooked up to it, I’m sure we’ll dig deeper into that later. But
(16m 52s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah, no, I love, I love the Thunderbolt Hub.
(16m 55s)
> I’ve got this like $200 Thunderbolt Hub.
(16m 57s)
> It’s like, I’ll buy it the once.
(16m 58s) Eden Liu:
> Which one do you use?
(17m)
> Can I ask?
(17m) Tim Chaten:
> I, the OWC, whatever one there is, yeah.
(17m) Eden Liu:
> Nice, me too.
(17m 3s)
> Yeah, the one that has 11 ports, that has all the things.
(17m 4s) Tim Chaten:
> And yes, it’s got ethernet.
(17m 7s) Eden Liu:
> Yeah, yeah, I’m a big fan of that one.
(17m 7s) Tim Chaten:
> It’s got, yeah, yeah, a bunch of stuff on it.
(17m 10s)
> It’s like, I’ll buy this once and it’ll last forever, hopefully.
(17m 11s) Eden Liu:
> Yeah, I actually, the funny thing is I have, so I have that big one,
(17m 13s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah.
(17m 17s) Eden Liu:
> like you said, the $250 one, and then I also have the more compact version,
(17m 21s)
> the one with just the four, with the four extra ports for traveling.
(17m 23s) Tim Chaten:
> >> Right, yeah.
(17m 23s)
> In Thunderbolt, it seems much more – I tried USB-C in the past.
(17m 25s) Eden Liu:
> They’re just, I…
(17m 28s)
> How long did it take you to get on the Thunderbolt dock?
(17m 30s) Tim Chaten:
> It was just always so unreliable.
(17m 32s) Eden Liu:
> It’s, yeah, I definitely…
(17m 35s)
> Like, I don’t know why it took me so long to get onto the Thunderbolt dock thing.
(17m 40s)
> I really only got it onto them this year.
(17m 43s)
> And now that I have them, I, like, don’t understand how I ever existed without them.
(17m 47s)
> Because with even powered hubs, it’s like, you know, it just depends on how much stuff you have hooked up to it.
(17m 52s)
> And then it’s like, you know, sometimes your audio interface needs more power than your computer or your iPad is able to provide.
(17m 55s) Tim Chaten:
> Yes.
(17m 56s)
> And that single cable, you could swap between if you have a laptop and iPad.
(17m 58s) Eden Liu:
> It becomes a whole ordeal. So, yeah.
(18m 1s)
> Yeah.
(18m 3s) Tim Chaten:
> You just plug in once, and you then have your full setup for whatever device you want to use at that time for just that one cable, which is awesome.
(18m 13s)
> And then, so you mentioned–
(18m 15s)
> so with the hub, the OS will accept multiple video inputs.
(18m 19s)
> That’s a feature of–
(18m 22s)
> Have you guys ran into what the–
(18m 23s) Eden Liu:
> Yes.
(18m 24s)
> Yeah, so you can have up to two separate video inputs.
(18m 25s) Tim Chaten:
> what the constraints of that are?
(18m 31s) Eden Liu:
> So whether that is the iPad camera, any of the iPad built-in cameras,
(18m 36s)
> any webcams that you want to plug into the iPad,
(18m 39s)
> or if you’re using a professional or production camera,
(18m 42s)
> or want to bring in a game view,
(18m 45s)
> that has to come in through a capture card,
(18m 47s)
> which also counts as a video input.
(18m 51s)
> As far as I know that.
(18m 53s)
> That is all that Apple has allowed in their multi camera sessions Hopefully with you know, really positive feedback and a lot of excitement about products like camo studio for iPad and and similar That they will open that up to more and more Camera sources moving forward. We’ll see
(19m 12s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah, it’s interesting. So the onboard built-in camera counts one of the sources. That’s kind of a curious thing to note. Like you’d think you’d have, you know, two external and then you could use the internal stuff, but it’s two whatever.
(19m 26s) Eden Liu:
> Yeah, right now, that is how it works,
(19m 28s)
> but hopefully we’ll have a little bit more flexibility with that moving forward.
(19m 33s) Tim Chaten:
> Okay. So, this brings me to, I’m wondering if you’d kind of, like,
Doing a video podcast from iPad?
(19m 38s) Tim Chaten:
> think through how one would do a video podcast from the iPad with Camo Studio.
(19m 48s)
> So, you know, I was, you know, I was thinking, you know, plugging in an iPhone with the USB-C directly to the iPad as one source, but I’m not sure, do you know of a great,
(20m)
> like video, like FaceTime alternatives.
(20m 3s)
> that would output that video into the iPad in a kind of good way.
(20m 9s) Eden Liu:
> So that was a really interesting concept and idea that, you know, I kind of got from how you presented the question.
(20m 15s)
> And so the short answer is we’re not able to do that at this moment in time,
(20m 21s)
> but it would be really cool to be able to bring in like iPhone screen as just a video source for any other type of content that you would want to create.
(20m 27s) Tim Chaten:
> Right And that works for if I’m just doing a screencast I did try this I was able to do a screencast of just you know iPhone apps, but once I tried FaceTime, it just was not happy. I haven’t tried Skype I don’t know there might be some limitations with iOS and
(20m 40s) Eden Liu:
> Yeah, right.
(20m 49s)
> – Yeah, so as far as we can tell in our testing is that it is an Apple limitation that doesn’t allow multiple apps to use the multiple camera sessions at the same time.
(21m 2s)
> So like, yeah, ’cause we did some testing with like trying to record FaceTime calls with each other and that was just on the iPad and it was just blurred out and we were like, oh, I guess you’re not allowed to use the camera with more than one app at a time.
(21m 19s)
> In our testing, as far as we know,
(21m 22s)
> this is an Apple limitation that we hope will be lifted in the future with developer feedback,
(21m 27s)
> with user feedback from people that are really into the whole Apple ecosystem.
(21m 33s)
> I do feel like Apple does listen to feedback when there’s enough of it.
(21m 38s)
> So hopefully we can get there ’cause I think that would be really cool to be able to do.
(21m 43s) Tim Chaten:
> For sure, mm-hmm. Yeah, right Mm-hmm
(21m 43s) Eden Liu:
> I will say, I will give you a solution now.
(21m 46s)
> It is not with Camo Studio.
Switcher Studio and Remote Guests
(21m 48s) Eden Liu:
> It is with our partner.
(21m 49s)
> is over at switcher studio, which I don’t know if you’re familiar with, but they are also an iPad streaming app.
(21m 56s)
> And they do have a guest interview remote interview feature.
(22m 1s) Tim Chaten:
> Okay. Yeah, I have explored their solutions in the past. The one very appealing thing of your product is we haven’t talked about this on iPad, it’s completely free of charge.
(22m 1s) Eden Liu:
> So yeah.
(22m 11s) Tim Chaten:
> I’m not quite at the level where I’m willing to spend the very professional, it’s a very professional app on their end with their cost structure. So it just doesn’t make sense currently,
(22m 25s)
> but I’ve played around with their app in the past and it’s phenomenal. I just wish they had a more
(22m 31s)
> lower level entry point.
(22m 34s) Eden Liu:
> I hear you on that, but I will also say that I personally am big on collaborations.
(22m 39s)
> I got my start with content and podcasting.
(22m 41s)
> Honestly, I am more comfortable doing collaboration-style content than I am doing solo content.
(22m 46s) Tim Chaten:
> Yes No, that’d be awesome Yeah, that’d be fantastic and it seemed it kind of feels like it needs to be all in one app like Camo studio kind of needs to build out a video Conferencing kind of tool that lets you record stuff, which is a whole nother level of yeah. Yes
(22m 46s) Eden Liu:
> So personally, internally, I will be pushing for that feature because I would like to be able to do interviews from just the iPad without needing to
(23m 10s)
> It is a whole other box to unpack there.
(23m 13s)
> But never say never.
(23m 15s)
> We are always listening for this kind of feedback.
(23m 17s)
> And honestly, our software is incredibly feedback-driven.
(23m 21s)
> Like, we have a running doc.
(23m 24s)
> This is for our desktop app and for our iPad app.
(23m 26s)
> We log every single feature request.
(23m 29s)
> And then we sort of organize it by how many of this same feature have we gotten.
(23m 34s)
> And then those things will get moved up on the priority list for the roadmap.
(23m 37s)
> So yeah, we are listening.
(23m 38s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah, no, that’d be awesome
(23m 40s) Eden Liu:
> to all the feedback. If people want us to add this feature, feel free to write into us at support@reincubate.com. We’re @reincubate on socials. We check all of it. We love to hear from people that are using the app to see how.
(23m 52s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah Because that would be very cool in the long term if that ever did happen because you could be doing a multiplayer game with somebody And you’d still have another video source if you do it in-house To have the video the video game alongside the two cameras. Yeah Yeah
(24m 1s) Eden Liu:
> Yeah. Totally.
(24m 6s)
> If I’ll yeah, if I’ll be perfectly honest, so I do like like Twitch streaming sometimes and with my but I don’t do solo streams. I have a stream that I do we replay Ace Attorney. It’s me and my best friend from work. And so I’m like, I would love to do this with our app. We can’t do it yet. But like, you know,
(24m 26s) Tim Chaten:
> Yes. Yeah.
(24m 29s) Eden Liu:
> That is the dream because, you know.
(24m 31s)
> I like to be able to bring in someone and to be able to game together, I think, just really.
(24m 36s)
> It’s like a different sort of live streaming presentation that I prefer opposed to like doing solo.
(24m 44s) Tim Chaten:
> For sure, yeah.
(24m 45s)
> And trying to entertain the chat while you’re…
(24m 49s) Eden Liu:
> Yeah!
(24m 49s) Tim Chaten:
> It’s always a very…
(24m 50s)
> It seems so simple to be a Twitch streamer,
(24m 54s)
> but I look at what they’re doing.
(24m 56s)
> They’re trying to keep up with the chat.
(24m 57s)
> They’re trying to…
(24m 58s)
> I’ve tried to do it and you lose the enjoyment of the video game at times.
(25m 3s) Eden Liu:
> Yeah, no, it can be a lot when you’re trying to sort of like balance actually playing but also like looking at the chat so that’s what’s really useful when you have a You know running mate because you can kind of take turns with like, you know Leading the conversation or just talking about the gameplay if someone else is monitoring the chat and wanting to respond to things there So yeah, I’m I’m definitely pushing for this feature internally
(25m 22s) Tim Chaten:
> For sure.
(25m 23s)
> So one thing I’m curious about is, technically,
Multiple Audio Tracks?
(25m 30s) Tim Chaten:
> is it possible to add the ability to save audio into separate tracks?
(25m 35s)
> So you have different video sources.
(25m 37s)
> You have two video sources.
(25m 39s)
> Is there any way in the future as for the pipeline to add–
(25m 44s)
> because I’d love to be able to–
(25m 45s) Eden Liu:
> ISO recordings, yeah.
(25m 46s) Tim Chaten:
> yeah, so I’d love to be able to capture a video and then send each track separately into Fairlight to then edit that for.
(25m 52s)
> other kind of audio production.
(25m 54s) Eden Liu:
> – Totally.
(25m 55s)
> I think we definitely need to implement that moving forward.
(25m 58s)
> Right now, we’re not able to,
(26m)
> especially because just when it comes to audio for the iPad experience,
(26m 6s)
> there is also an Apple limitation there where it only allows you to use either the iPad mic as a sound input, or you can bring in,
(26m 14s)
> you can plug in a mic or an audio interface,
(26m 17s) Tim Chaten:
> Mm-hmm
(26m 17s) Eden Liu:
> but it has to be the last thing that you plug in to the iPad for you to be able to select it.
(26m 22s)
> It’s a very strange little, very.
(26m 24s)
> Very specific limitation that Apple has put on on audio specifically, but we are not the only ones that have run into it. I’ve already seen a few other like YouTubers talk about sort of this Apple limitation. I’m like, oh, it’s not just us. It is. It is an Apple thing. We hope that they will open that up in the future because yeah, right now the iPad can basically only process one audio source.
(26m 46s)
> Now if you have an audio interface that has the feature to record separate tracks of course that would only be your own that you have.
(26m 49s) Tim Chaten:
> Mm hmm. Right.
(26m 54s) Eden Liu:
> You could have plugged like various instruments or microphones plugged into that one physical audio interface. But yeah, that doesn’t really help when you’re doing collaboration content.
(27m 6s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah, and when you’re doing twitch streaming. I could have sworn. I heard my nintendo switch alongside the microphone is that different Yeah Yeah Yeah, I have a switch and I bought a special cable That’s like a capture card and and one that you know
(27m 14s) Eden Liu:
> Yeah, so I so I was able I use an audio interface I Did actually a lot of homework and kind of ninja together this setup Because I I don’t know if you do you have a switch or do you have much experience with an another switch, okay?
(27m 30s)
> Yes Yeah So, you know that it’s not as straightforward as just plugging in, you know, it’s not exactly plug-and-play
(27m 36s) Tim Chaten:
> a doc as well.
(27m 44s) Eden Liu:
> you have to have the doc and you need it’s like, you know, I actually have a Exactly so
(27m 45s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah, because the Nintendo switch requires all this power to do it. Yeah, so I got this brightly colored blue and red Dock alongside the capture card says very obvious what it was for Yes, yeah, yeah, I think they’re two different companies, but they use the same manufacturer for the part of the cable It’s like this seems perfect because I’ll never lose it
(27m 57s) Eden Liu:
> Yeah, I think that might be the same one that I have because mine is also like blue and red and it’s very brightly colored. Yeah.
(28m 3s)
> Yeah.
(28m 8s)
> Yeah, exactly. I do love that it is very much looks like it goes with a Nintendo switch. But so using because you already do have to have the switch plugged into a capture card to bring into the iPad.
(28m 27s)
> I then rigged my setup to I had to get a special cable, which it’s plugged into the iPad not the iPad the switch audio jack the three.
(28m 37s) Tim Chaten:
> – Yep.
(28m 38s) Eden Liu:
> It’s a 3.5 millimeter and that plugs in that cable is 3.5 millimeter to XLR, which my audio interface takes XLR.
(28m 38s) Tim Chaten:
> – Right, yeah.
(28m 46s)
> – Okay, yep, Audio Interface XLR, I see.
(28m 49s) Eden Liu:
> My mic is XLR. So then I plugged in the audio interface into the iPad.
(28m 53s)
> Of course, it was the last thing I plugged in before recording or streaming
(28m 57s)
> and then I was able to get game and mic audio into the stream that way. So, yes.
(29m 2s) Tim Chaten:
> Okay, so that’s that’s the way to do it through the audio interface And if you’re just using a thunderbolt hub Plugging in the hub would be the last thing you plug in because it’s the only thing you plug in. Is that accurate or?
(29m 13s)
> Yeah I see yeah If you just plug the hub in straight after everything’s configured, yeah
(29m 15s) Eden Liu:
> – Yes, so I mean plugging into the hub.
(29m 18s)
> So, ’cause I, yeah, it would be,
(29m 21s)
> I usually already have the hub plugged in to the iPad.
(29m 24s)
> That’s an interesting question though.
(29m 26s)
> I wonder what the iPad would do if,
(29m 29s)
> yeah, that’s, I would have to test that,
(29m 32s) Tim Chaten:
> Okay.
(29m 34s) Eden Liu:
> but my, I would just, I would probably just say,
(29m 38s)
> just unplug that audio input and plug it back in after you have plugged in the hub,
(29m 41s) Tim Chaten:
> Yes. Yeah.
(29m 43s)
> Yeah, hopefully next year we get some true audio management tools because it’s it’s crazy.
(29m 43s) Eden Liu:
> just so the iPad does not get confused.
(29m 51s)
> Yeah, and I feel like Apple has some iPad apps that are able to do this or maybe I’m not that involved with iPad but…
(30m 1s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah, it’s weird like FaceTime now lets you if you hit the speaker icon select different audio things So it’s they’re they’re getting I don’t know they’re slowly gonna
(30m 4s) Eden Liu:
> Okay.
(30m 6s)
> Okay, maybe, yeah.
(30m 11s)
> So someone over there is aware that people have more robust needs for audio than they are currently providing, I guess, is the most diplomatic way.
(30m 19s) Tim Chaten:
> Yes Yeah So twitch streaming from camo studio so you bring your Nintendo switch, you know PS 5 whatever kind of game console you could even probably You know adapters GameCube and older stuff. It has to be are there analog capture cards? Like could I plug in?
Twitch and YouTube Streaming
(30m 37s) Tim Chaten:
> N64 if you guys explored that at all
(30m 42s) Eden Liu:
> That is a great question.
(30m 43s)
> I don’t think we have,
(30m 44s)
> but I do know there are members of the team that have sort of like the more legacy Nintendo products.
(30m 51s)
> My guess would be that if you can find a capture card that you can plug that into, that…
(30m 55s) Tim Chaten:
> Right, like it has to convert the analog signals to digital in some way. That’s the thing. Yeah, okay So What’s this experience like streaming to twitch? I did notice like it’s directly integrated into the app As well as YouTube. I was very impressed with YouTube live streaming because I remember the past When they killed Google Hangouts many years ago I tried to do just YouTube live and it just didn’t work because it
(30m 56s) Eden Liu:
> Right.
(31m 25s) Tim Chaten:
> Was just so complicated with just like what’s all these different settings and stuff?
(31m 29s)
> But it seems very well baked out the live streaming capabilities within camo studio. So can I walk me through? What’s?
(31m 37s) Eden Liu:
> Yeah, so there was actually quite a bit of back and forth with the team for the YouTube streaming experience.
(31m 43s)
> And honestly, all the credit goes to our incredible dev team.
(31m 46s)
> I really just talk at them and let them know what my experience has been with other streaming platforms on desktop.
(31m 48s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah, yeah.
(31m 51s) Eden Liu:
> And I’m like, “Can you guys just make it work?”
(31m 52s)
> And they’re like, “We don’t know. Maybe we’ll try.”
(31m 54s)
> And usually they do.
(31m 55s)
> So they are really awesome at dealing with me, especially.
(32m)
> But yeah, so I agree with you.
(32m 5s)
> Using YouTube Studio is actually…
(32m 8s)
> Just like you said, there’s a lot of settings to dial in.
(32m 10s)
> It can be a little overwhelming for people that are just first starting out.
(32m 15s)
> So we thought sort of the best way to approach it would just be like, what do you really need for when you’re setting up a stream?
(32m 24s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah.
(32m 24s) Eden Liu:
> And that is a date and a time.
(32m 26s)
> Which channel you want to stream it to and whether you want it to be unlisted, listed, or public.
(32m 33s)
> And sort of like work backward from there.
(32m 35s)
> We got a lot of inspiration from like–
(32m 37s)
> I said, desktop apps that do streaming for how they integrate sort of their YouTube experiences.
(32m 43s)
> So we did do a lot of homework, market research to see sort of like what was out there,
(32m 47s)
> and did our best to put together what we thought would be intuitive, and easy to use,
(32m 53s)
> and just straightforward.
(32m 55s)
> Like that is kind of like our whole mantra is that we want things to be like really intuitive, feel,
(33m)
> and very straightforward.
(33m 2s)
> Like just on the streaming note, I don’t know if you’ve tried OBS at all.
(33m 7s)
> There’s so many settings that you have to not only set,
(33m 10s) Tim Chaten:
[laughs]
(33m 11s) Eden Liu:
> but you have to understand them before you can even begin to know which one to choose.
(33m 12s) Tim Chaten:
> Yes.
(33m 17s) Eden Liu:
> So we kind of are here to try to just eliminate all of that
(33m 24s) Tim Chaten:
> That’s great, yeah.
Web Overlays
(33m 25s) Tim Chaten:
> And the chat gets integrated as well.
(33m 29s)
> Is it on YouTube as well as Twitch or how does that work?
(33m 33s) Eden Liu:
> So you can bring in the YouTube chat.
(33m 36s)
> I will say that–
(33m 38s)
> so it’s very popular to be able to add comments onto your live stream from wherever you are streaming from.
(33m 42s) Tim Chaten:
> Mm-hmm.
(33m 43s)
> Yeah.
(33m 46s) Eden Liu:
> The current way to do this right now is in the form of web overlays, which I don’t know if you have much experience with these.
(33m 53s)
> I really only started to use web overlays a lot when we started to develop and concept this app,
(33m 57s)
> because I knew that we were going to need to support them.
(34m) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah.
(34m 1s)
> Mm-hmm.
(34m 1s) Eden Liu:
> And so I really learned.
(34m 3s)
> All of this sort of in the last three to four months.
(34m 5s)
> So I’m by no means an expert, but they’re really cool.
(34m 9s)
> You can do so much with web overlays without needing to do too much on the back end and like stream elements.
(34m 15s)
> I really love, um, I don’t know if you’ve checked them out, but they have a lot of really great, like web overlays that are pre-configured, which is the key part to like show up when there’s an action, like when you get a new follower or like, you you know, you get a new–
Stream Elements
(34m 33s) Eden Liu:
> it’s like a little pop-up thing that shouts them out, that’s really cool.
(34m 33s) Tim Chaten:
> Mm-hmm, yeah.
(34m 39s) Eden Liu:
> And so all of that works through web overlays.
(34m 42s)
> We definitely would recommend, if anyone is interested in bringing, like,
(34m 46s)
> any part of their chat stream activity onto their actual stream,
(34m 50s)
> to check out web overlays.
(34m 52s)
> Yeah, stream elements are awesome.
(34m 54s) Tim Chaten:
> Okay, so StreamElements is a separate company that kind of focuses on this kind of solution of web overlays, which is a universal standard that you just, what, do you plug in like a URL into Kemos Studio and it puts in the web overlay that you can then resize?
(35m 7s) Eden Liu:
> – Yeah, yeah, so basically there is a new scene option and one of the new scene options is new scene from web overlays.
(35m 19s)
> So when you look up a web overlay online,
(35m 21s)
> whether that’s on StreamElements or overlays.uno is a really popular one for like widgets also,
(35m 25s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah.
(35m 28s) Eden Liu:
> they will have a little link for you to use and you just pop that link into the new scene from Camo Studio on iPad and it will.
(35m 37s)
> pop up in the app and you can, you know, set your video sources to match the frames or full screen.
(35m 45s)
> However, just depending on the overlay and how you want your video feed to look along with the web overlay.
(35m 51s)
> But yeah, it really is as simple as grabbing that that overlay link from online.
(35m 57s)
> Also I would say configuring it online because that’s how web overlays work is they are configured on on a web in a web browser.
(36m 3s)
> So whether that is like entering your…
(36m 8s)
> Your social media handles, those are really popular ones.
(36m 11s)
> Like I’ve seen this really cool one that just sort of constantly rotates like your YouTube, your Discord, your various social media handles.
(36m 20s)
> You can configure all of that in a browser and then pop that browser link into the new scene from WebOverlay and it pops up like magic.
(36m 29s)
> I wish I…
(36m 30s)
> I need to at some point probably dive a little bit deeper into how these are actually created because I just think it is so–
(36m 37s)
> it’s so cool.
(36m 39s)
> People have really put a lot of thought and effort into creating these overlays,
(36m 44s)
> and they do some really cool stuff just with our stream panels.
(36m 48s)
> So you can see the chat.
(36m 50s)
> You can have them show your stream chat.
(36m 52s)
> You can have them show when a new follower tips,
(36m 55s)
> super chats, stream activity.
(36m 58s)
> It’s just–it’s really cool.
(37m 1s) Tim Chaten:
> And do they dynamically resize or do you kind of have to set up the aspect ratios and everything on the web interface?
(37m 9s)
> Yes. Mm-hm.
(37m 9s) Eden Liu:
> >> So that’s a great question.
(37m 12s)
> In my experience, they have dynamically resized to my Canvas settings.
(37m 18s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah. Okay.
(37m 18s) Eden Liu:
> So yeah, I would say most of the web overlays I have tried,
(37m 20s) Tim Chaten:
> But it might vary based on what you’re using.
(37m 26s) Eden Liu:
> have been from either StreamElements or overlays.uno.
(37m 30s)
> If anyone runs into anyone that they are getting some weird behavior from,
(37m 35s)
> we’d love to hear about it,
(37m 36s)
> We’d love to investigate and see how we can make it work smoothly.
(37m 39s)
> But I do know, I will say just on this, the note of web overlays, for example, I’ve mentioned that I’m a little bit of like a desktop primary girly, like I’m primary desktop.
(37m 50s)
> So I always check sort of what the web, you can preview what the web overlay will look like by just pasting that link into like a browser address.
(37m 55s) Tim Chaten:
> Mm-hmm.
(37m 59s) Eden Liu:
> And so sometimes on the desktop, it’ll be like sized really weirdly, and it will look kind of awkward.
(38m 4s)
> here like changing the zoom percentage to make it fit into the onto my desktop.
(38m 9s)
> screen size, I’ve never had to do that when popping it into the iPad, like it just seems to know how it’s supposed to be sized.
(38m 14s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah. Cool. Right.
(38m 16s) Eden Liu:
> And so that’s just in our testing, we haven’t run into it.
(38m 19s)
> But like I said, if anyone’s getting web overlays from anywhere that they feel like are not working the way they’re supposed to, please let us know we are, you know, like I said,
(38m 30s)
> we’d love to hear customer feedback, we’d love to just dig in and see how we can get
(38m 34s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah, and I believe the twitch integration as far as the chat I think did I see that it works even with what without a web overlay. You just can’t interact with it Is that accurate? Yeah
Stream Panels
(38m 46s) Eden Liu:
> Yeah, yes. So that is our stream panels and how they are.
(38m 55s)
> So I guess the easiest way for me to put this is our stream panels,
(39m)
> the intent behind the stream panel is for the content creator to view stats,
(39m 6s)
> whether that is, you know, the chat, the activity, stream health,
(39m 11s)
> however they have pre-configured their stream panels to look.
(39m 14s)
> That’s information that is.
(39m 16s)
> Useful and information to the content creator that is content creator facing and for.
(39m 21s) Tim Chaten:
> Oh, so that’s not included in the actual stream going out.
(39m 22s) Eden Liu:
> Right, so that is for just like you to monitor and if you do want to bring it on to the stream, you would have to use a web overlay that is configured to show any of those specific stream actions.
(39m 33s) Tim Chaten:
> Okay, gotcha.
(39m 34s)
> Okay, that makes total sense.
(39m 41s)
> And that could actually be pretty, I mean, pretty cool,
(39m 45s)
> ’cause you could have the chat over your face and use that real estate that otherwise is just like,
(39m 50s)
> here’s my camera, but I really don’t need to be looking at myself the whole time kind of thing.
Sponsor – Agenda
(39m 55s) Tim Chaten:
> This episode is sponsored by Agenda.
(39m 58s)
> In this quick break, I wanna share a bit about Agenda’s big multi-window update
(40m 3s)
> that happened earlier this year and is now very useful with Stage Manager finally being in a great place.
(40m 10s)
> So before we get to all of the awesome new multi-window additions to the app,
(40m 14s)
> I wanna make sure everyone knows about the new ability to navigate Agenda very quickly with just the keyboard.
(40m 21s)
> By hitting Option + Space on the keyboard,
(40m 24s)
> you are now brought into a quick search box that allows you to open notes and projects really quickly.
(40m 30s)
> Just by searching for the name of the note or project.
(40m 33s)
> You can either just hit enter to open that first result or arrow down to the result you want to open and hit enter to do that all with just your keyboard.
(40m 42s)
> It’s super fast and is so nice not needing to use the trackpad or touch screen to jump to the note or project you want to work in next.
(40m 51s)
> Another thing I love in Agenda are the little touches.
(40m 55s)
> You’ll notice in the sidebar your various projects and for projects that are loaded full of notes, you’ll see three complete lines.
(41m 3s)
> I have projects with as little as half a line, and others that are two and a half lines,
(41m 9s)
> and many that are three full lines.
(41m 11s)
> It’s a really nice touch that gives you a visual indicator of what projects are pretty empty and what projects have tons of notes.
(41m 20s)
> It’s just a really nice touch if you want to glance at the sidebar to see that variety of which projects are very full and which projects don’t have much in it.
(41m 28s)
> Finally, the huge thing added earlier this year was true multi-window support.
(41m 33s)
> Every note now has a little window icon.
(41m 36s)
> You’ll find this next to the gear icon at the bottom of every note.
(41m 40s)
> This button behaves a bit differently if you are in split screen mode versus stage manager.
(41m 45s)
> In split screen, it’ll bring that window front and center and dim the background.
(41m 50s)
> This is the same behavior you’ll find in Apple’s Mail app if you create a new composition window.
(41m 57s)
> This is an awesome way to work if you do just want to focus on that single note, and is the mode I work in.
(42m 3s)
> When I’m writing up scripts, and it’s what I call kind of the iPad focus mode,
(42m 7s)
> allowing you to focus in on that sole task versus, you know,
(42m 12s)
> stage manager where you have a bunch of windows open and it can be a bit distracting. Just like an Apple mail,
(42m 18s)
> you can manipulate this window with the triple dots on the top of the window,
(42m 22s)
> which lets you transform that window into a slide over window or use it in split screen.
(42m 27s)
> At any time you can tap the icon on the bottom of the note to return the note
(42m 33s)
> back to the main agenda window you started from.
(42m 35s)
> If you are working in stage manager,
(42m 38s)
> hitting that window button will pop that note out as a brand new window that you can move and resize however you want.
(42m 45s)
> The sidebars of agenda are hidden,
(42m 47s)
> but if you want to use that window for a different note,
(42m 50s)
> you can slide out the sidebars to move away from that note.
(42m 54s)
> And just like working in split screen mode,
(42m 56s)
> you can tap the window button on the bottom of that stage manager window to
(43m 1s)
> bring that note back into your original window.
(43m 3s)
> you’re working in, if you want to skip scrolling to the bottom of your note to tap that window button, you can also at any time just hit command O on your keyboard in either split screen mode or stage manager mode to open that note in a new window. And that is a huge time saver if you’re someone that uses this feature quite a bit. And it’s just overall a very well thought out system for using multiple windows and agenda on the iPad and something most apps have not really thought out.
Capture Cards
(43m 33s) Tim Chaten:
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> To learn more, go to agenda.com.
(44m 22s)
> Download Agenda 18 today for free from the App Store.
(44m 25s)
> My thanks again to Agenda for sponsoring this episode of iPad Pros.
(44m 28s)
> Learn more at http://www.agenda.com.
(44m 33s)
> As far as capture cards, is USB-C kind of where they’re at?
(44m 38s)
> There’s Thunderbolt capture cards are not a thing or wouldn’t…
(44m 44s) Eden Liu:
> Yeah, so capture cards are like the way that…
(44m 49s) Tim Chaten:
> And there’s a wide price point.
(44m 49s) Eden Liu:
> Yes, there is.
(44m 50s) Tim Chaten:
> I’ve got one that’s like 15 bucks.
(44m 53s)
> It seems to work great,
(44m 55s)
> but there’s other ones that are like 200 bucks.
(44m 56s)
> I’m not sure what you’re getting for that extra money with some of those, yeah.
(45m 2s) Eden Liu:
> – Yeah, so I can dive into this a little bit with you.
(45m 4s)
> As you mentioned, our team has tested a huge range of capture cards from this $15 one right here to $40 ones, to $100, to $200 ones.
(45m 12s) Tim Chaten:
> Yep.
(45m 17s) Eden Liu:
> And we’ve actually not run into one that just flat out doesn’t work.
(45m 22s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah.
(45m 22s) Eden Liu:
> They all work as far as we know.
(45m 23s) Tim Chaten:
> Mm-hmm.
(45m 24s) Eden Liu:
> We have done a lot of testing with Elgato capture cards,
(45m 27s)
> which are like such as the Cam Link, the HD60X,
(45m 30s)
> They all work wonderfully.
(45m 32s)
> I guess to answer your question about like why you would choose a more expensive capture card over this $15 one is that I know, for example, the HD 60 X, the Elgato, that’s a really popular one for streamers that allows you to bring in a video source and output it to do different locations.
(45m 54s)
> So you could do you could output it to your game stream and also like output it to a monitor that you know you can hook up another monitor.
(46m) Tim Chaten:
> Ah, I see.
(46m 2s) Eden Liu:
> That just for yourself for you to be able to see it more clearly just depending on how you have your stream set up.
(46m 8s)
> So there is a yeah.
(46m 8s) Tim Chaten:
> Gotcha. That makes total sense. If you’re gaming, you can have the big gaming monitor in front of you and then also output the stream where you’re not trying to play the game.
(46m 13s) Eden Liu:
> Right.
(46m 17s)
> Yeah, and there’s also like capture cards that most capture cards these days will take 4k 60 FPS, but most of them, especially these $15 ones really only output at 1080.
(46m 28s) Tim Chaten:
> Yes. Yes, I’ve noticed that as well, yep.
(46m 30s) Eden Liu:
> So that is also something.
(46m 32s)
> to be mindful of is that like just depending on what type of content you’re creating and how you want it to look. If you feel like you need 4k, you might have to pay a little bit extra for a 4k capable capture card that outputs to 4k so it is, there is a little bit like of reading and studying that I would recommend for people to make sure they get the capture card that’s right for for them.
(46m 58s)
> working on publishing a list of capture cards to our site, just the ones that we’ve tested.
(47m 2s)
> And you mentioned Thunderbolt, so Thunderbolt is great for sort of the reasons we’ve already talked about, but the connecting capture cards and webcams, for example, that’s a USB standard,
(47m 16s)
> so the Thunderbolt will help power everything, but you’re not going to be necessarily limited in performance by not having Thunderbolt as opposed to high-speed USB.
(47m 20s) Tim Chaten:
> Right.
(47m 21s)
> Gotcha.
(47m 26s)
> Yeah.
(47m 27s)
> And if using Nintendo switch, it’s still a TV.
(47m 30s)
> Maybe the next one will be 4k.
(47m 32s) Eden Liu:
> That’s right, yeah, yeah, that’s why I’ve been using this little $15 one has treated me well.
(47m 34s) Tim Chaten:
> We’ll, we’ll see, but yeah, it’s so tiny and, you know, like, yeah, lightweight.
(47m 41s) Eden Liu:
> Yeah, this one is also very cool because it’s USB-A, but it also can be USB-C, so on that note,
(47m 50s)
> if you are only plugging in a capture card to your iPad, make sure it’s USB-C because if you want…
(47m 57s)
> We have definitely had situations where I’m like,
(47m 59s)
> I can’t plug this in ’cause it is.
(48m 2s)
> the wrong USB format.
(48m 5s)
> So that is if you’re going straight into your iPad with the capture card, make sure it outputs via USB-C.
(48m 11s)
> Otherwise, just get a hub, honestly though, so.
(48m 13s) Tim Chaten:
> “Yeah, yeah, gotcha, yeah, that makes sense, yeah.”
(48m 16s)
> And you can use the magic keyboard to power your iPad.
(48m 19s)
> Yeah, while you’re doing that.
Save video locally
(48m 23s) Tim Chaten:
> So one really cool thing is you can also,
(48m 26s)
> while streaming, save that video just onto your iPad storage,
(48m 32s)
> or if you don’t have enough room there,
(48m 34s)
> hook up to a hub and you got this big external SSD.
(48m 37s)
> That seems pretty great.
(48m 40s)
> Is it the same quality?
(48m 43s)
> That’s being streamed as being captured locally or is it a little bit better locally or how’s that work?
(48m 45s) Eden Liu:
> Yes, it actually, it should be the same.
(48m 47s) Tim Chaten:
> Okay.
(48m 50s) Eden Liu:
> When it comes to streaming, there are other factors such as your internet speed,
(48m 56s)
> and sometimes if you live in an apartment,
(48m 59s)
> how many other people are using that same internet line can affect your…
(49m 1s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah, if it’s if it’s 10 a.m. Versus 6 p.m. You might have different
(49m 4s) Eden Liu:
> Right.
(49m 6s)
> Yeah, so I guess in that sense,
(49m 11s)
> the local recording would not be affected by.
(49m 14s) Tim Chaten:
> Right, by any being with this you
(49m 16s) Eden Liu:
> Like, right.
(49m 17s)
> So, but what you’ll see in the Camo Studio preview will be what gets recorded and, you know,
(49m 24s)
> our frame rate and resolution settings are in our canvas settings.
(49m 27s)
> They are laid out for people, you know,
(49m 29s)
> the most popular ones, 4K 30, 4K 60, 1080,
(49m 34s)
> 1080 30, 1080 60, all these are sort of, yeah.
(49m 38s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah, 1440p was…
(49m 40s) Eden Liu:
> And so those are the true resolutions
(49m 45s)
> you are streaming at and should be recording.
(49m 49s) Tim Chaten:
> I guess, as far as local storage needs, if you’re doing like a 4k60, is there like an estimator in the app for like how long you’re able to stream before running out of space? Okay.
(50m 1s) Eden Liu:
> – So that, we don’t currently have that,
(50m 4s)
> but that actually did get raised during our testing process because that is an issue.
(50m 9s)
> I mean, if you have one of those,
(50m 11s)
> if you don’t have very much storage on your iPad alone.
(50m 14s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah, I have a 1 terabyte iPad and I’m still using like half the storage,
(50m 17s)
> so I’d probably run into problems if I start capturing an hour worth of video.
(50m 21s) Eden Liu:
> Yeah, for sure. That is a great feature request.
(50m 24s)
> It is already on the radar, but I will make sure to put a +1 for you on that one because, yeah, that’s a good point to be able to sort of see how much storage your iPad has left
(50m 35s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that’s something I noticed with the iPhones, the new iPhones,
(50m 40s)
> when you’re capturing to an external, it’ll tell you as you’re capturing,
(50m 43s) Eden Liu:
> Nice.
(50m 44s)
> Oh, that’s awesome.
(50m 44s) Tim Chaten:
> you got this much space left on the SSD you’re hooked up to. Yeah.
(50m 48s) Eden Liu:
> Yeah, ’cause I, I mean, I have iCloud storage now,
(50m 52s)
> but back in the day before I did,
(50m 53s)
> I was that person that was always running out of space for,
(50m 56s)
> and it’s like, I just shot this awesome yoga video and then it’s hit end and it’s like, by the way,
(51m)
> we didn’t get any of that ’cause there’s no storage.
(51m 2s)
> Yeah, so good call.
Using the iPhone with the iPad?
(51m 26s) Eden Liu:
> Yeah, we have, this is definitely something we’re interested in implementing moving forward.
(51m 31s)
> We’ve already gotten a lot of requests for it and I, just like I said earlier, our phones have such better cameras than almost any webcams on the market.
(51m 41s)
> We definitely want to be able to allow people to use their awesome phone cameras as video sources.
(51m 49s)
> So it’s good to hear that there’s interest in it, as always, not at the moment, but that is definitely, definitely something.
(51m 57s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah, it’s kind of funny, the iPad Pro got a camera bump at some point.
(52m 1s)
> And I look at that camera bump, I look at my iPhone, it’s like,
(52m 4s)
> “Wow, this thing has not been touched in years.”
(52m 5s) Eden Liu:
[laughs]
(52m 7s) Tim Chaten:
> It’s just like, it’s like, stuck in 2018 as far as like the cameras and the iPad.
(52m 7s) Eden Liu:
> Yeah.
(52m 13s) Tim Chaten:
> Which is fine, it does the job, but nowhere near as, yeah.
(52m 15s) Eden Liu:
> – Right, no, it’s not even close.
(52m 16s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah. Mm-hmm.
(52m 18s) Eden Liu:
> Especially if you have like a 12, 13 or 14,
(52m 21s)
> it’s just like, it is like, oh man.
(52m 24s)
> And it’s funny, so I actually have,
(52m 26s)
> before I got a upgraded iPad to test our Camo Studio with,
(52m 31s)
> I was running on an iPad Pro first gen.
(52m 34s)
> And so I did see a big jump between the iPad Pro first gen and the iPad I’m on now, but still,
(52m 34s) Tim Chaten:
> Okay. Yes, I can imagine so, yeah.
(52m 39s)
> Yeah.
(52m 42s) Eden Liu:
> I’m just like yo the iPhone iPhone is
(52m 42s) Tim Chaten:
> Yes. Yeah.
(52m 45s) Eden Liu:
> still the one that’s I can’t even run iPadOS 17 on it so I can’t even do Camo Studio.
(52m 48s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah, that original first gen finally didn’t get the OS update this year.
(52m 52s)
> It finally…
(52m 53s)
[laughs]
(52m 55s)
> I know, yeah.
(53m 4s)
> Yeah, I’m gonna be bummed when the second generation gets cut out ’cause I really love the 10.5 inch second gen.
(53m 11s)
> It’s like the best home button iPad they ever made.
(53m 14s)
> Had nice thin bezels and promotion.
(53m 18s)
> It was a great little iPad.
(53m 19s)
> So I’m gonna be sad whenever that discontinues support.
(53m 22s) Eden Liu:
> That one finally gets retired as I like to say fingers crossed that it’s last as long as
(53m 24s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah, it could be next year, but hopefully not.
(53m 26s)
> Hopefully a couple more years.
(53m 27s)
> Yeah.
(53m 28s)
> Yeah.
Other uses of Camo Studio
(53m 30s) Tim Chaten:
> So we mentioned game streaming.
(53m 34s)
> Do you see people using this app?
(53m 35s)
> Is this something, you know,
(53m 36s)
> teachers would be recording stuff,
(53m 39s)
> even talk about the Apple Pencil stuff,
(53m 40s)
> but that seems like a natural use case,
(53m 43s)
> teachers, but who else is this app for?
(53m 46s) Eden Liu:
> Yeah, so honestly, I would say anyone that is producing any type of video content,
(53m 53s)
> you can really kind of think about using Camo Studio for iPad for that.
(53m 58s)
> Because other than game streaming, which like we mentioned is brought in through a capture card,
(54m 3s)
> you can also record or stream using a professional production camera,
(54m 8s)
> DSLR, mirrorless that can be brought in through capture cards.
(54m 12s)
> So all of the scene building tools and picture and.
(54m 16s)
> Picture that all is, you know, extends to whatever you can hook up to the iPad, basically, and so, yeah, like teachers love.
(54m 28s)
> We have a lot of people using a lot of teachers using camo, big fans of camo, so that’s actually so you mentioned the pencil feature.
(54m 36s)
> I thought something that was really cool that was unlocked with this iPad app is that.
(54m 41s)
> especially if you have an iPad with that as M1 chip or newer,
(54m 45s)
> you’re able to use the.
(54m 46s)
> I’ve had screen as a video source.
(54m 48s)
> You did mention that earlier a little bit,
(54m 50s)
> but that means that you can do a presentation in keynote or powerpoint and like do a little picture in picture and superimposed yourself onto that a little bit easier,
(55m 1s)
> easier in a easier way and using the pencil feature.
(55m 6s)
> In addition to all of that,
(55m 7s)
> you know you’re you can do circle things on your powerpoint or your keynote.
(55m 11s)
> You can draw and write things instantly.
(55m 14s)
> You can do that if you are doing like any sort of.
(55m 16s)
> App or app tutorials app walkthroughs just being like hey, this is where we’re looking. This is where you can find this setting. I think just like with the with the pencil tool and being able to capture the iPad itself, especially as we see iPad being like a rising star in education like it’s you know, I kids these days know how to use iPad way better than than the geriatric millennial over here, but so.
(55m 42s) Tim Chaten:
> Yes.
(55m 46s) Eden Liu:
> All of our our app was really built for the iPad, meaning that if you find the iPad experience to already be intuitive like this is just another extension on top of that, like even bringing in like photos or frames that you want to use for your background. You can bring in even video files to use as like an animated video background. All of it is just like very, very iPad intuitive. I feel so. Yeah, any content creators that are doing recorded or.
(56m 16s)
> Stream content teachers that are, you know, giving presentations people that do tech tutorials app walkthroughs lots of use cases and one of the use cases which actually was sort of like our last use case in mind. I would say is just the ability to use your iPad as a bigger monitor for the switch or for professional cameras like we’ve gotten.
(56m 38s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah.
(56m 41s) Eden Liu:
> We’ve seen a lot of people just be like,
(56m 43s)
> this is so awesome for using it as just a bigger screen for the Switch.
(56m 47s)
> But also, if you think about using DSLR mirrorless cameras,
(56m 51s)
> they have this tiny screen on the back when you’re trying to configure all your settings.
(56m 55s)
> So it’s just being able to see it on a bigger screen.
(56m 57s)
> You can take it into full screen mode on the iPad.
(57m)
> It just gives you a way bigger view of what your camera sees and how your settings are applied when you’re dialing in white balance.
(57m 8s)
> Or I don’t know enough about camera settings to dive deep into that,
(57m 13s)
> but it is just so much easier than trying to do it all on.
(57m 16s)
> the device itself with a screen that’s like two by two inches and that’s being
(57m 19s) Tim Chaten:
> Right? Yeah. No, that’s pretty cool.
USB-C iPad Required?
(57m 23s) Tim Chaten:
> And do you need to use a USB-C iPad for this?
(57m 26s)
> Or are there capture cards that work with lightning iPads that would work here?
(57m 32s)
> Okay.
(57m 32s) Eden Liu:
> So, not as far as I know, and so, Camo Studio for iPad does run on some iPads that are not USB-C, but you’re not able to plug in additional cameras.
(57m 35s) Tim Chaten:
> Okay.
(57m 41s)
> It’s all for, you know, you’re doing stuff within the app.
(57m 46s) Eden Liu:
> Yeah, yeah, because I don’t think, and especially as Apple moves away from lightning, even with their phones, I’m not seeing really hardware producers make any hubs that are specific
(57m 55s) Tim Chaten:
> Yes, yeah, but the iPad Mini with USB-C, all the USB-C iPads work
(58m 8s) Eden Liu:
> Yeah, as far as we know, the USB-C iPads are all good to go.
(58m 13s)
> If anyone runs into any issues otherwise, please let us know.
(58m 16s)
> We’d be happy to take a look and see what might be going on.
(58m 19s)
> But yeah, USB-C is sort of like the safe, the recommended.
(58m 24s) Tim Chaten:
> – Yeah, yeah.
(58m 24s) Eden Liu:
> I would recommend for the best experience that you would want to use an iPad with.
(58m 26s) Tim Chaten:
> Gotcha.
(58m 31s)
> Yeah, and you mentioned earlier M1 or M2 iPads,
(58m 34s)
> you can actually stream and record in the background.
(58m 36s)
> So is this, walk me through a bit on this.
(58m 40s)
> Like, do you have to be in stage manager and the app just like not the main app or can you be in full screen app mode and be, you know, leaving that app to do a different app in full screen as you’re,
(58m 52s)
> you’re basically using the screen record feature,
(58m 55s)
> can you stream that out?
(58m 56s) Eden Liu:
> – Yeah, so stage manager is not required at all.
(58m 56s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah.
(58m 57s)
> Okay.
(59m 1s) Eden Liu:
> I actually was like, “Oh, what is stage manager?”
(59m 1s) Tim Chaten:
> Yes.
(59m 4s) Eden Liu:
> I don’t even know what that is.
(59m 5s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah, it’s not in wide use.
(59m 6s) Eden Liu:
> I know what it is, that’s a concept,
(59m 8s)
> but I haven’t actually ever used it.
(59m 11s)
> But yeah, so stage manager is not required to switch to different apps.
(59m 15s)
> It is similar to how screen recording on the iPad would work on its own.
(59m 20s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah.
(59m 21s) Eden Liu:
> It just records whatever the iPad screen is seeing.
(59m 21s) Tim Chaten:
> Okay.
(59m 22s)
> Okay.
(59m 22s)
> Okay.
(59m 26s) Eden Liu:
> When you do select the iPad screen and start a recording or stream,
(59m 30s)
> it pops up with a little floating picture-in-picture camera view that pops up in the corner that basically lets you know that…
(59m 38s)
> That also gives you a little bit of monitor to see your camera view and what you look like when you are, yeah.
(59m 44s) Tim Chaten:
> Right because the camera will stay active along with the screen Yeah, which is great. So the pencil feature within camo studio You have to be in the camo app to be marking stuff up, right? And then if you’re in a different app Then if you’re if you’re in a different app that app itself would probably have the pencil support I’d imagine the keynote I believe has its own presenter mode where you can mark stuff up
Apple Pencil
(59m 59s) Eden Liu:
> Oh, that’s a good point. Yeah.
(1h 9s)
> Right, okay, yeah, I don’t think I thought that one entirely through.
(1h 14s)
> Because you would need to be in camo to use the pencil.
(1h 17s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah, but I could see video game streamers that are doing tip videos or streaming tip videos circling different like
(1h 27s) Eden Liu:
> Yeah Yeah, no, I also thought of other For the pencil feature specifically. There’s I have a friend that does she does field hockey Referee content like she basically teaches other people how to be field hockey referees And she does really cool things with like whiteboarding and like circling things like a player has their foot there
(1h 54s)
> So I I kind of like had her in mind when we were
(1h 57s)
> Shout out to Keely Dunn, by the way.
(1h 59s)
> We had, when we were working out this pencil feature and sort of like thinking of the suggested use cases for it,
(1h 1m 5s)
> I was like, oh, I am feeling like sports content.
(1h 1m 9s)
> And I also am a big basketball fan.
(1h 1m 10s)
> I’m a big like NBA person.
(1h 1m 12s)
> And I’m just like, I can see coaches using this to like break down plays, do some X’s and O’s.
(1h 1m 17s) Tim Chaten:
> Definitely. Yeah. Yeah.
(1h 1m 18s) Eden Liu:
> Like I, that’s how I envision it.
(1h 1m 21s)
> So, yeah, I also think another use case would be like
(1h 1m 27s)
> creators to host sort of like create with me sessions,
(1h 1m 31s)
> like create or draw with me sessions.
(1h 1m 33s)
> Obviously the pencil tool is a little bit more,
(1h 1m 36s)
> you have a little bit more control of it if you actually have the Apple Pencil rather than just trying to use your hand to draw.
(1h 1m 40s) Tim Chaten:
> – Right.
(1h 1m 41s) Eden Liu:
> But like I’ve seen people draw some really,
(1h 1m 44s)
> really cool stuff on the iPad with the Apple Pencil.
(1h 1m 48s)
> So I can see that like sort of being a vibe.
Adding media to your stream
(1h 1m 52s) Tim Chaten:
> Is there any way, if not today, or maybe in the future for the list to add like a folder from like the files app and here’s a bunch of media that I want to be switching between referencing during my stream.
(1h 2m 6s)
> Let me have this folder quick and easy. Maybe I number them sequentially and I tap on, you know, two and I progress to that one and replaces, you know, the current media in that place with this one.
(1h 2m 19s)
> Is that something that’s…
(1h 2m 22s)
> you know, a thing? Or could be a thing?
(1h 2m 26s) Eden Liu:
> I think that definitely could be a thing.
(1h 2m 28s)
> I’m trying to think of the best way to do that now is…
(1h 2m 32s) Tim Chaten:
> Because you can add video in, you know, video you’ve already recorded into a stream.
(1h 2m 37s)
> So I’m wondering that, you know, is there a, what’s the easiest way to add, you know,
(1h 2m 42s)
> multiple videos that you want to switch between kind of thing?
(1h 2m 45s) Eden Liu:
> Gotcha, so right now you would have to set up an individual scene for each one of these and then right and then individually switch between the scenes as you go through them, but That’s a really interesting feature request to be able to sort of do it like in in batches. I guess is sort of
(1h 2m 50s) Tim Chaten:
> For each one of them, okay
(1h 3m 4s)
> – Yeah, like here’s a folder that I just, you know,
(1h 3m 7s)
> maybe it’s images or video, just, you know,
(1h 3m 8s)
> reserve this part of the screen for that media.
(1h 3m 12s)
> And, you know, as I hit whatever media I’m switching to,
(1h 3m 19s) Eden Liu:
> Yeah, no, that’s a great feature request.
(1h 3m 22s)
> I’m definitely going to bring this one back to the team and ask them how we would be able to do that.
(1h 3m 27s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
(1h 3m 27s) Eden Liu:
> But yeah, like right now, you are able to organize your scenes into folders and collections.
(1h 3m 33s)
> So there is some sort of organization,
(1h 3m 36s)
> but it’s not as robust as the experience that you’re describing.
(1h 3m 40s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah, because creating your camo scenes, walk me through a bit on that.
(1h 3m 41s) Eden Liu:
> But that definitely makes sense, yeah.
Camo Scenes
(1h 3m 47s) Tim Chaten:
> How do you set up a stream, making it look how you want it to look, and switching between scenes?
(1h 3m 53s)
> Are you able to retain all this stuff, except I want to change this one thing between this scene and that scene?
(1h 4m) Eden Liu:
> So, right now, when you set up a scene, it is, um, it’s, it’s pretty intuitive.
(1h 4m 8s)
> Everything is pinch to pinch, or open pinch, I guess, what is the phrase for, yeah, pinch and then un-pinch, yeah, to resize.
(1h 4m 13s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I know. Yeah. Yes.
(1h 4m 19s) Eden Liu:
> I think most people that know what an iPad is will know what I’m talking about here.
(1h 4m 24s)
> But yeah, it’s pinch to resize and then drag to place where you want it to go on your canvas.
(1h 4m 30s)
> So, it is, like, and even though I will say I am very familiar with this app, I’ve been doing this demo so many times, I know it is possible to set up a scene in about three minutes if you know where things want to go.
(1h 4m 43s)
> But obviously, you probably would want to play around with it a little bit.
(1h 4m 47s)
> You know, now we have like custom frame shapes, like you can do a circle or square or custom rectangle shapes for your different camera views or your game views.
(1h 4m 55s)
> We hope to– yeah!
(1h 4m 56s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah, that’s pretty cool. Your face can just be in a circle, so it’s not taking up as much space.
(1h 5m) Eden Liu:
> Yeah, that’s really popular for the little circle view instead of a full rectangle view these days.
(1h 5m 6s)
> So we kind of jumped on that bandwagon and added circles, which we don’t even have in our desktop app.
(1h 5m 12s)
> So yeah, so little– it’s really quick and easy to create a picture-in-picture scene.
(1h 5m 13s) Tim Chaten:
> Yes.
(1h 5m 19s) Eden Liu:
> For game streaming, for example, double tapping a video source will bring it to fill the entire canvas.
(1h 5m 25s)
> So if you are just setting up a very straightforward game
(1h 5m 30s)
> picture-in-picture of you using–
(1h 5m 32s)
> whether that’s an external camera or just the iPad camera,
(1h 5m 35s)
> it is one click to add your video game source,
(1h 5m 38s)
> double tap it to bring it to full screen,
(1h 5m 40s)
> one more click to add your camera,
(1h 5m 42s)
> resize it a little, pop it in the corner,
(1h 5m 44s)
> add some effects if you want, and then you’re basically good to go.
(1h 5m 49s)
> Yeah, and you did also ask about how to sort of continue building your scenes after you’ve built one.
(1h 5m 57s)
> right now setting a new scene.
(1h 6m)
> It creates a blank slate for you.
(1h 6m 5s)
> You are able to duplicate scenes also,
(1h 6m 8s)
> but they’re all managed in the scene editor.
(1h 6m 13s)
> Not scene editor, scene organizer.
(1h 6m 15s) Tim Chaten:
> Okay Okay, no
(1h 6m 15s) Eden Liu:
> Sorry, scene editor is what might be possibly coming soon.
(1h 6m 18s)
> I cannot confirm or deny.
(1h 6m 21s)
> But yes, scene editor,
(1h 6m 24s)
> we want to basically add more tools for people to build and customize.
(1h 6m 30s)
> There’s a lot of things that you can do to make your stream more engaging.
(1h 6m 49s) Tim Chaten:
> Yes.
(1h 6m 49s)
> Yes.
(1h 7m) Eden Liu:
> There’s a lot of things that you can do to make your stream more engaging.
(1h 7m 11s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah. Has the team considered, or I don’t know, keyboard shortcuts? Is this in the app at all?
Keyboard Shortcuts
(1h 7m 18s) Tim Chaten:
> Maybe like Command + 1 would switch to Scene 1, Command + 4 would switch to Scene 4 to be able to not have to touch the screen or interact in that way, but use keyboards to kind of help with your strokes.
(1h 7m 30s) Eden Liu:
> That is definitely something we have discussed a lot about.
(1h 7m 33s)
> And I know that we want to sort of like make a few like preset ones that are that make a lot of sense for you. Just like you said, like command one for moving to the next scene or something like hotkeys and shortcuts. That’s definitely something that I feel like is almost needed when you are live streaming. You want sort of everything to be at a touch of a button instead of needing to go through things and like click through things so yeah like
(1h 7m 55s) Tim Chaten:
> Yes. Yeah, so you’re not, you’re not in the video stream just like kind of like, where is that?
(1h 8m) Eden Liu:
> exactly yeah yeah so that that is that is coming for for more keyboard shortcuts as well as like hopefully in the future like stream decks are super popular we would we’re definitely looking forward
(1h 8m 20s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah, and I almost wonder building a companion iOS app to Camo Studio, maybe you have a second iPad to communicate with your other iPad, but you can program out a big touch surface to control things.
(1h 8m 34s)
> I don’t know how used that would be, it’d probably be more used on iPhone with the iOS
(1h 8m 41s) Eden Liu:
> – That’s really interesting, yeah.
(1h 8m 42s)
> Like kind of like, I guess sort of how,
(1h 8m 46s)
> I mean, not exactly a one-to-one parallel,
(1h 8m 48s)
> but like, you know how the Apple remotes have sort of like the touch pad.
(1h 8m 52s) Tim Chaten:
> Right, yeah.
(1h 8m 53s) Eden Liu:
> So I always feel like that’s so crazy how you can just like move things around like on a mouse and move things on Apple TV.
(1h 9m) Tim Chaten:
> Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Right. For the. Yeah.
(1h 9m 1s) Eden Liu:
> So I guess that’s sort of like a similar concept in just being able to control,
(1h 9m 7s)
> yeah, basically like a little smart remote for the iPad app.
(1h 9m 11s)
> – That’s a very interesting request and definitely one that I’m sure our engineers would love to spend several hours wrapping their heads around.
(1h 9m 18s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah, it’s something you could build into the camo iPhone app that eventually will be used with the iPad as a camera source, but it could not be used as a camera, it could be used for control.
(1h 9m 28s) Eden Liu:
> – Yeah, yeah, I really like that.
(1h 9m 31s) Tim Chaten:
> Right, yeah, but that seems like a thing that could happen, right?
(1h 9m 33s) Eden Liu:
> Yeah, hashtag not a developer, but like I love that idea.
(1h 9m 40s) Tim Chaten:
> So back to the streaming your iPad screen, just some things to keep in mind, as we talked about earlier audio and iPad is kind of.
Streaming your iPad’s Screen
(1h 9m 48s) Tim Chaten:
> of a mess. So you want to be probably streaming things that are not playing audio ideally,
(1h 9m 56s)
> right? Is that a consideration? Okay, so as long as it’s not FaceTime or other video conferencing apps, everything else should work. Caveat also, don’t be trying to play Apple TV content to doing a audio commentary track on.
(1h 9m 59s) Eden Liu:
> When you are screen recording from the iPad,
(1h 10m 1s)
> that is the one time you are able to hear the source audio.
(1h 10m 5s)
> Yeah.
(1h 10m 7s)
> Yes.
(1h 10m 13s)
> Yes.
(1h 10m 14s)
> Right.
(1h 10m 19s)
> Yeah, so, but like, for example,
(1h 10m 25s)
> one of the apps I use on iPad is Duolingo a lot.
(1h 10m 27s) Tim Chaten:
> Mm-hmm. Yeah.
(1h 10m 29s) Eden Liu:
> I’m recording, you know, which actually this is,
(1h 10m 30s) Tim Chaten:
> Is that a weird switch ditch of people doing Duolingo performances?
(1h 10m 38s) Eden Liu:
> – No, I think it’s great.
(1h 10m 38s) Tim Chaten:
> That could be fun to watch, actually.
(1h 10m 40s) Eden Liu:
> Like, I love, I think it is so funny.
(1h 10m 43s)
> I love the little owl guy.
(1h 10m 44s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah. Oh, absolutely.
(1h 10m 45s) Eden Liu:
> I think Duolingo has done an amazing job with their branding.
(1h 10m 48s)
> And like, while I was testing, because like I said,
(1h 10m 51s)
> I’m a bit of more of like an iPad casual with Duolingo being one of the apps that I actually do use.
(1h 10m 55s)
> I was like, oh, maybe I should,
(1h 10m 56s)
> I should jump on the Duolingo content train and start just like streaming my language lessons with the iPad app.
(1h 11m) Tim Chaten:
> Definitely.
(1h 11m 1s)
> Anyway.
(1h 11m 2s)
> and was
(1h 11m 2s) Eden Liu:
> But yeah, you would get all of, ’cause Duolingo,
(1h 11m 5s)
> well, I brought up Duolingo because I really like sort of their sound effects.
(1h 11m 8s)
> experience with the language learning and so that you would be able to hear all of those sound effects on the stream.
(1h 11m 16s) Tim Chaten:
> That’s cool. That’s cool. Yeah. And with the Stage Manager, iPhone apps actually behave pretty well as just a window that’s floating, which is neat. Yeah, I’m not sure the current status of when you’re in full screen mode, what it does with those iPhone apps.
(1h 11m 33s) Eden Liu:
> – Yeah, I don’t have enough experience with Stage Manager,
(1h 11m 36s)
> but I know a lot of people use it very,
(1h 11m 40s)
> to sort of like help keep things organized.
(1h 11m 42s)
> I just personally have not gotten to venture into that.
(1h 11m 46s)
> Sounds like I need to test it out though.
Camera Effects
(1h 11m 48s) Tim Chaten:
> A couple of other things before we wrap it up.
(1h 11m 52s)
> Camo Studio has this Portrait Privacy and Replace Background modes.
(1h 11m 56s)
> What can be said about these?
(1h 11m 59s) Eden Liu:
> So, if I’m being perfectly honest, those are probably our most popular feature for our desktop like pro version it is so portrait mode was our first.
(1h 12m 11s)
> Was sort of like our first sort of hero feature that we launched and people love it portrait mode gives you like a nice background bokeh blur.
(1h 12m 20s) Tim Chaten:
> Okay. Okay. Awesome.
(1h 12m 21s) Eden Liu:
> Complete with a slider for intensity to adjust like,
(1h 12m 24s) Tim Chaten:
> Mm-hmm.
(1h 12m 25s) Eden Liu:
> you know how intense you want that background blur to be.
(1h 12m 28s)
> So for example, I’m based in Brooklyn.
(1h 12m 30s)
> I live in this tiny apartment.
(1h 12m 30s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah.
(1h 12m 31s) Eden Liu:
> My office is basically arm to arm.
(1h 12m 33s)
> And it’s like, I don’t need that much blur because my stuff is right behind me.
(1h 12m 34s) Tim Chaten:
> Yes.
(1h 12m 36s) Eden Liu:
> And it’s very obvious that it’s right behind me.
(1h 12m 38s)
> But some people that have bigger rooms that they’re shooting in,
(1h 12m 42s)
> they might need a little bit more blur to make it look realistic.
(1h 12m 46s)
> So that’s configurable, and it is super popular.
(1h 12m 49s)
> It looks great.
(1h 12m 50s)
> It really, because unless you have a mirrorless or DSLR camera,
(1h 12m 54s)
> you’re usually not able to get that beautiful background bokeh.
(1h 12m 59s)
> Privacy mode, that is that sophisticated bokeh background.
(1h 13m 2s)
> Privacy mode is sort of like the blur background in Zoom, for example,
(1h 13m 7s)
> where it just completely blurs everything out.
(1h 13m 9s)
> You can’t see any detail.
(1h 13m 11s)
> No one has any idea where you are.
(1h 13m 13s)
> And then replace is virtual green screen,
(1h 13m 15s)
> which allows you to bring in a custom virtual background,
(1h 13m 20s)
> which got super popular with Teams and Zoom over the last couple of years.
(1h 13m 24s)
> People love the virtual backgrounds.
(1h 13m 25s) Tim Chaten:
> “Can you bring in a video source as the virtual background?”
(1h 13m 28s)
> Okay, because that could be fun bringing the switch as your background or something like that.
(1h 13m 29s) Eden Liu:
> Not yet, not yet, we’ve gotten a lot of requests for that, and I think that,
(1h 13m 34s)
> yeah, that could be really cool.
(1h 13m 35s) Tim Chaten:
[laughs]
(1h 13m 37s) Eden Liu:
> So not yet, but we have gotten requests for that.
(1h 13m 40s)
> And I’m the internal chaos person that I’m like, yeah, we need to do that.
(1h 13m 47s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah, feature advocate, yeah.
(1h 13m 47s) Eden Liu:
> Yeah, we need to do that.
(1h 13m 48s)
> And the team is like, Eden, yeah, I am the customer advocate, there you go.
(1h 13m 50s) Tim Chaten:
> So currently, yeah, yes.
(1h 13m 53s)
> So currently it’s static images for the background.
(1h 13m 56s) Eden Liu:
> Yes, static images for the background, yeah.
(1h 13m 56s) Tim Chaten:
> Yep, cool.
(1h 13m 57s)
> And there’s a couple built in
(1h 14m) Eden Liu:
> There’s a night, a bricks roof or lamp that are custom built-in.
(1h 14m 7s)
> Which actually looks like the same backgrounds that we offer built-in,
(1h 14m 10s)
> bundled with the iPad app for if you wanna use it as your canvas.
(1h 14m 15s)
> But as this is super integrated with iPad,
(1h 14m 20s)
> it is any photo in your photo library that you’re able to bring in.
(1h 14m 24s)
> By the way, I actually just tried this and It is letting me bring in a video as.
(1h 14m 29s)
> A background on on the iPad.
(1h 14m 30s) Tim Chaten:
> Oh, very cool. So a pre-recorded video for that, yes.
(1h 14m 32s) Eden Liu:
> Yes, for the iPad, though, that is not a feature that is available on our desktop app at the moment. So for the for the video background. Yeah, so.
(1h 14m 35s) Tim Chaten:
> Oh, interesting, yeah.
(1h 14m 40s)
> Yeah, no.
(1h 14m 43s)
> Yeah, that’s interesting ’cause yeah,
(1h 14m 44s)
> most of the stuff is from the Mac app or whatnot.
Auto Framing
(1h 14m 49s) Tim Chaten:
> Auto-framing, what does this tool do?
(1h 14m 52s)
> Okay.
(1h 14m 52s) Eden Liu:
> Autoframing is face tracking, essentially.
(1h 14m 55s)
> So autoframing keeps your face in the center of the frame.
(1h 15m)
> So yeah, it would basically keep your face in the center.
(1h 15m) Tim Chaten:
> It would be walking around a room if you’re using an ultrawide camera.
(1h 15m 3s)
> It would try to, okay.
(1h 15m 7s) Eden Liu:
> And you do need to zoom in a little bit for it to have somewhere for the camera to be able to have somewhere to pan.
(1h 15m 15s)
> But it’s super cool.
(1h 15m 16s)
> I use it.
(1h 15m 17s)
> It’s really useful.
(1h 15m 18s)
> I am, as you can see a little bit,
(1h 15m 19s)
> I’m a pretty animated talker.
(1h 15m 21s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah, especially if you use the little circle view, so you’re always in there.
(1h 15m 21s) Eden Liu:
> I move my hands a lot.
(1h 15m 22s)
> I’m pacing a little bit back and forth.
(1h 15m 24s)
> So I always have on face auto tracking to keep my face in the center of the scene.
(1h 15m 31s)
> Exactly.
(1h 15m 32s)
> Yeah.
(1h 15m 34s)
> Yeah.
(1h 15m 35s)
> Yeah, and also autoframing, we have two autoframing options.
(1h 15m 39s)
> One is just auto.
(1h 15m 41s)
> And the other one is autoframing with zoom,
(1h 15m 43s)
> which that means it adjusts the zoom level also.
(1h 15m 46s)
> So I am mostly moving left to right.
(1h 15m 49s) Tim Chaten:
> Mm-hmm.
(1h 15m 49s) Eden Liu:
> but if I was moving more forward and backwards.
(1h 15m 52s)
> the zoom would be able to zoom in on my face as I move back and then zoom out as I move forward to sort of keep my face in the same size as I want it to be.
(1h 15m 59s) Tim Chaten:
> Right.
(1h 16m 2s) Eden Liu:
> Also, I totally forgot to mention,
(1h 16m 5s)
> we have a really awesome new background feature called the remove feature that is actually exclusive to iPad, Camo Studio on iPad at this moment,
Remove
(1h 16m 15s) Eden Liu:
> which is quick and easy background removal.
(1h 16m 18s)
> It is just like takes away your background immediately,
(1h 16m 22s)
> popular with like game streamers is to be able to like have sort of like just their floating camera.
(1h 16m 28s) Tim Chaten:
> So “replace” puts a different background there, but “remove” is just nothing behind you.
(1h 16m 28s) Eden Liu:
> Yes.
(1h 16m 32s)
> Yes.
(1h 16m 33s) Tim Chaten:
> It’s just your floating head. Okay, gotcha. Very cool.
Spotlight and Lighting
(1h 16m 36s) Tim Chaten:
> Uh, I’d imagine the spotlight effect works with the auto-framing kind of technology?
(1h 16m 44s) Eden Liu:
> Yeah, so the spotlight effect actually would work a little bit more similarly to our like our background segmentation features because for the background segmentation features, it’s basically keeping the subject in focus while blurring out or replacing the background.
(1h 16m 51s) Tim Chaten:
> Mm-hmm.
(1h 16m 52s)
> Okay.
(1h 16m 53s)
> Thank you.
(1h 16m 54s)
> Bye.
(1h 16m 54s)
> Okay.
(1h 17m) Eden Liu:
> Spotlight, what spotlight does is it brightens up the subject and darkens sort of the view behind them to sort of like bring your face into focus.
(1h 17m 10s)
> This is really cool when I have
(1h 17m 14s)
> forgotten to charge my key light and and it just helps brighten up my face a little bit and and it brings it just keeps the face the subject well lit while sort of lightly muting everything in the background so it’s sort of like putting someone in the spotlight which is why we named it that name kind of corny I know but it’s also fully adjustable in intensity with the slider So just depending on how much help you need with with lighting
(1h 17m 47s) Tim Chaten:
> I recorded a video the other night, and I have terrible lighting where I’m at, especially at night where there’s no window to help me out, and I realized this 27-inch monitor in front of me, if I just put a white Google image search, white image, put this full blast,
(1h 17m 59s) Eden Liu:
> Yeah!
(1h 18m 3s) Tim Chaten:
> it did the trick to make the video pretty usable.
(1h 18m 7s)
> So using that in conjunction with Spotlight, because having a good source for the software
(1h 18m 9s) Eden Liu:
> >> Yeah, totally, yeah, it’s not gonna replace actual good lighting,
(1h 18m 18s)
> but it will help a lot, yeah.
(1h 18m 21s) Tim Chaten:
> Yes. Yeah. But yeah, it’s like, “Oh, I’ve got this huge monitor for me. Let me use that as a light source.”
(1h 18m 22s) Eden Liu:
[laugh]
(1h 18m 26s)
> That’s a great little impromptu hack though, yeah,
(1h 18m 30s)
> a huge monitor turned up 100% brightness.
(1h 18m 33s)
> That’s basically having a softbox in front of you.
(1h 18m 36s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah, ’cause at night, I’ve got this light above me,
(1h 18m 40s)
> which just looks terrible as the main light source.
(1h 18m 44s)
> It’s just like this big light, yeah, so.
(1h 18m 44s) Eden Liu:
> Yeah.
(1h 18m 45s)
> Oh, you gotta get some, yeah,
(1h 18m 46s) Tim Chaten:
> The ring lights, I know those are.
(1h 18m 51s) Eden Liu:
> the ring lights or key lights.
(1h 18m 53s)
> I have like a Philips strip that sort of runs across and I usually have the key light as well.
(1h 18m 58s) Tim Chaten:
> Mm-hmm. Yeah.
(1h 19m 2s) Eden Liu:
> ‘Cause I can like, I like the Philips lights because you can like kind of create vibes.
(1h 19m 6s)
> You know, I can like kind of make them a little bit colored, a little bit.
(1h 19m 8s)
> And I usually have background lights too,
(1h 19m 10s)
> but we were only doing audio, so I didn’t turn them on.
(1h 19m 10s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah, yeah, all good.
(1h 19m 13s) Eden Liu:
> Sorry.
(1h 19m 14s)
> But yeah, like I like having the strip for just like warmer or cooler lighting.
(1h 19m 19s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah, definitely.
(1h 19m 20s) Eden Liu:
> And then then the key light to really help light my face and I have a window on the other side of my office.
(1h 19m 20s) Tim Chaten:
> Nice.
(1h 19m 24s) Eden Liu:
> So I will get like a little bit of supplemental lighting that way also.
(1h 19m 25s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah.
(1h 19m 28s)
> So, I know, I do mostly audio, so it’s like, yeah.
(1h 19m 28s) Eden Liu:
> So yeah, we got to get your lighting.
(1h 19m 30s)
> We got to get your lighting, lighting up to par.
(1h 19m 32s)
> Yeah.
(1h 19m 33s) Tim Chaten:
> As far as, you know, the Mac version,
The Mac Version
(1h 19m 38s) Tim Chaten:
> what can you do there that you can’t do on iPad?
(1h 19m 41s)
> Like, what are some of the big differences if you do have a Mac and you want to kind of
(1h 19m 49s) Eden Liu:
> Yeah, so our Mac version has way more like fine-tuned image controls such as like brightness,
(1h 19m 57s)
> saturation, contrast, like it really gives you sort of like full control over your video.
(1h 20m 3s)
> It has more robust like zoom and pan features so you can like crop to specifically where you want, whereas the iPad is really just does the face tracking and slight zooming in.
(1h 20m 14s)
> The features for like white balance have not yet made it to the iPad.
(1h 20m 19s)
> I’m not used because I like to play with lighting.
(1h 20m 21s) Tim Chaten:
> Yes.
(1h 20m 21s) Eden Liu:
> I’m often adjusting white balance to make sure I still look normal, even if I have crazy light schemes going on.
(1h 20m 22s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah.
(1h 20m 28s) Eden Liu:
> So those are in our desktop app as well as like exposure and ISO features, sorry.
(1h 20m 35s)
> And then also our desktop app does have a overlay editor.
(1h 20m 39s)
> So you are able to create overlays and scenes within the desktop camo app, which you can export to work with iPad app, by the way.
(1h 20m 47s) Tim Chaten:
> Mm-hmm. Oh, very nice.
(1h 20m 49s) Eden Liu:
> iPad app just doesn’t have the ability yet to create scenes from scratch, like sort of on like overlays, like adding elements and shapes, et cetera.
(1h 20m 58s)
> That is available on the desktop app.
(1h 21m 1s)
> But at some point, we hope to bring all of the awesome features we have on our desktop app as well as the features on our iPad app that have actually leapfrogged our desktop app because our desktop app doesn’t do multi-camera.
(1h 21m 14s)
> It doesn’t do picture-in-picture.
(1h 21m 15s)
> It doesn’t have streaming capabilities yet.
(1h 21m 19s)
> So we want everything on Mac, Windows, iPad, we want everything, all of the platforms to have everything.
(1h 21m 24s)
> But we also want to make sure that we present things in like a way that is clean and sleek and intuitive to the platform rather than being like, “Oh, we just need to throw all of this stuff in there.”
(1h 21m 31s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah, right.
(1h 21m 35s) Eden Liu:
> Like, we want to make it like we’re big on making things look like nice and sleek and making sure that like the experience feels intuitive.
(1h 21m 45s)
> That’s at least my biggest.
(1h 21m 47s)
> I am the loudest in the room when I feel like.
(1h 21m 49s)
> Something is not intuitive enough for like sort of our general.
(1h 21m 54s) Tim Chaten:
> And that’s interesting. I didn’t realize streaming was actually only on the iPad.
(1h 21m 58s)
> That’s like a curiosity. Yeah.
(1h 22m) Eden Liu:
> It’s an interesting sort of path that we’ve come to make it here.
(1h 22m 4s)
> We’ve been getting requests for streaming on the desktop forever.
(1h 22m 8s)
> I’m not a developer, but I guess it was just way easier to go ahead and implement in the iPad app when we were building it, as opposed to the complexities of it working on desktop.
(1h 22m 9s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah.
(1h 22m 18s) Eden Liu:
> So that’s where we’re at, and I’m really excited to bring, just like I said,
(1h 22m 24s)
> all of the features to all of the different apps.
(1h 22m 27s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah, awesome. And then, um, mentioned earlier, um, this app is completely free on iPad is,
Free forever?
(1h 22m 34s) Tim Chaten:
> are you guys exploring what a pro version would look like, or is the plan to just continue to build this out as a free app or what’s the.
(1h 22m 43s) Eden Liu:
> So as all of the discussions we’ve had is that this app is the free version is the pro version.
(1h 22m 50s)
> We are like, we don’t have any plans to change that in the near future.
(1h 22m 50s) Tim Chaten:
> Okay, yeah.
(1h 22m 51s)
> Yeah.
(1h 22m 55s) Eden Liu:
> I also like to not speak in absolutes, but all of our discussions have been this is going to be a free app.
(1h 23m 2s)
> Our desktop app is not free.
(1h 23m 3s)
> So if people want to support us and really love the app experience and will use it on the desktop,
(1h 23m 9s)
> We would hope that, you know, maybe exploring licensing our desktop experience would
(1h 23m 16s) Tim Chaten:
> – Awesome, yeah, that sounds great.
Where can people learn more?
(1h 23m 18s) Tim Chaten:
> And then where can people go to learn more and kind of get started with this app?
(1h 23m 24s) Eden Liu:
> So to learn more about Camo Studio on iPad,
(1h 23m 27s)
> we created an awesome landing page for it.
(1h 23m 29s)
> It is camoapp.com/ipad.
(1h 23m 32s)
> We have also been working hard to sort of build out our YouTube channel a little bit more with,
(1h 23m 37s)
> like I recently posted a few of our use case videos for the iPad.
(1h 23m 41s)
> I host live streams.
(1h 23m 43s)
> I try to do them whenever I can,
(1h 23m 45s)
> sometimes just with the work schedule.
(1h 23m 47s)
> I haven’t been able to get consistent,
(1h 23m 49s)
> but like we’re really focusing our YouTube channel on content that is.
(1h 23m 54s)
> Like a live in order to be able to talk to customers in real time and hear feedback in real time about how they’re using the app and how they want to use the app as well as creating just educational content for doing better video in general.
(1h 24m 6s)
> For example, I have not yet done this show, but lighting one on one is definitely on on my show list, which I will definitely send over for you to watch so you can get your lighting set up.
(1h 24m 11s) Tim Chaten:
> Yes. Absolutely. Thank you.
(1h 24m 17s) Eden Liu:
> But like I’ve done like, you know, live streaming one on one audio one on one.
(1h 24m 21s)
> It is really kind of just to cover the basis.
(1h 24m 24s)
> It’s one of our, the biggest things that we’ve noticed is that there’s been quite a barrier to entry when it comes to getting great video, whether that’s on the iPad or on the desktop, which is why we concepted being able to use your iPhone as a webcam to begin with is to help people look better on video.
(1h 24m 44s)
> And even though, you know, things are moving back to in person offices are coming back to in person, it’s still a barrier to entry.
(1h 24m 54s)
> And even though things are moving back to in person or hybrid remote meetings also aren’t going away. So, like, these experiences are still going to be here, and we hope that we’re able to make great video accessible to as many people as possible, no matter if they’re on Mac, Windows, iPad, etc.
(1h 25m 15s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah I’ll be super curious to see if Personas and Apple vision Pro are accessible to developers and building out some kind of crazy video creation experience there Yeah, I’m sure that platform will you know grow very quickly as the you know The Apple watch and iPhone did in its first couple years just the I’m sure the API’s will get more
(1h 25m 16s) Eden Liu:
> So, yeah, that’s that’s really our whole thing is great video made easy for everyone.
(1h 25m 29s)
> Yeah, that’s going to be really fun to sort of follow along and see how all of that unfolds because that.
(1h 25m 45s) Tim Chaten:
> And I’m not sure what’s there on day one if it would allow stuff like this or not Yes day one. I am very excited for that. Yes Absolutely, I I do a a vision pros podcast as well. That’s my other show I do so It’s a monthly show right now. I’ve done four episodes
(1h 25m 48s) Eden Liu:
> >> Yeah. So are you planning to get one?
(1h 25m 51s)
> Is that you’re going to be?
(1h 25m 53s)
> Okay. All right. That’s awesome.
(1h 25m 56s)
> Well, you’ll have to do an episode on it,
(1h 26m)
> so I can tune in and hear what the experience is like.
(1h 26m 4s)
> Okay. All right. Nice.
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> Cool. Okay. That’s really awesome.
(1h 26m 12s) Tim Chaten:
> But yeah, yeah, so, yep.
(1h 26m 16s) Eden Liu:
> So you’re just–
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> Primarily iPad, though, so you don’t do, like–
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> you don’t have, like, a Mac computer set up?
(1h 26m 21s) Tim Chaten:
> No. So, um, my iPad’s my one and only computer, my wife has a MacBook Air that I never touch, it’s her computer, um, I have a 2011 MacBook Air that every once in a while I’ll rip a CD to add it to iTunes Match.
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> That’s the only thing I do at that time.
(1h 26m 37s) Eden Liu:
> >> Nice. Wow. I just think that’s so incredible that your entire workflow is iPad-based, so.
(1h 26m 46s) Tim Chaten:
> Yeah, and then um yeah vision pro will be my second computer and You know I figure if I work from iPad I could probably Do a lot of this from there, and we’ll see what that’s like so Yeah, yeah, oh Thank you, yeah, yeah, hopefully early next year. We’ll see what that what that means yes Yeah Anything that we haven’t covered about camo studio that you’d like to before we we wrap it up
(1h 26m 47s) Eden Liu:
> That’s really cool.
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> Yeah, for sure. Well, I definitely look forward to hearing about your.
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> Fingers crossed, yeah.
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> – I think that really covered about everything.
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> I would also, as one last sort of shameless plug,
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> is to sign up for our community email newsletter.
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> That’s where I share sort of when I’ll be doing live streams.
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> I also host drop-in office hours where it’s just on Zoom or on Discord.
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> And it’s basically just an open call for people to drop in.
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> You can ask questions.
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> It can be camo-related.
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> It can just be video-related or video content-related.
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> I am in this role to not just.
(1h 27m 46s)
> Represent the app, but to really learn more about how people are approaching and doing video to better understand what tools we might want to implement in the app to continue to level up the experiences. So yeah, I would say our community newsletter. You can sign up on our web page and that’s where I will be lightly spamming you with emails really just to tell you that I will be online here at this time and you can come hang out with me if you want so.
(1h 28m 9s) Tim Chaten:
> Yes. Excellent. Well, thank you so much. I really do appreciate your time today.
(1h 28m 16s)
> This has been just fascinating to learn more about this incredible app that is now out.
(1h 28m 22s) Eden Liu:
> Yeah, thank you so much and at some point when I am doing a iPad focus show, I will have to have you come on my show as well.
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> All right, thanks so much Tim.
(1h 28m 28s) Tim Chaten:
> How about that? Yeah, thank you.
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